LIVE BLOG: City Council Meeting for September 26, 2016

Published on by Adam A. Donaldson

Tonight’s city council meeting will be proceeding by some additional action, and I don’t just mean the closed meeting that starts at 5 pm. Nope, also starting at 5 pm Rally to Protect Water, so stay tuned for updates from that as well. As for when the meeting starts, you can click here for the amended agenda from City Hall, and you can click here to read Politico’s preview of tonight’s meeting. For the complete blow-by-blow of tonight’s council meeting, you can follow me on Twitter, or follow along below via Storify.

by
Adam A. Donaldson
Tue, Sep 27 2016 14:11:36

Guelph City Council Meeting – September 26, 2016

Live blog from the meeting starting at 6:30 pm

  1. Full house tonight https://t.co/6XmAcO8ZH1

    Full house tonight pic.twitter.com/6XmAcO8ZH1
    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    ·

    Mon, Sep 26 2016 22:28:23

  2. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Direction given to GMHI Board, and info received at closed meeting.

    Mon, Sep 26 2016 22:28:45

  3. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Special presentation for ‘O Canada’: The Overtones.

    Mon, Sep 26 2016 22:29:20

  4. Guthrie jokes that the crowd is big b/c they knew the Overtones were coming https://t.co/yZ236qDdl2

    Guthrie jokes that the crowd is big b/c they knew the Overtones were coming pic.twitter.com/yZ236qDdl2
    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    ·

    Mon, Sep 26 2016 22:32:22

  5. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    The Overtones have been part of the city for 50 years. Used to regularly sing ‘O Canada’ for council.

    Mon, Sep 26 2016 22:33:32

  6. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    They meet every Monday at Ignatius if anyone’s interested.

    Mon, Sep 26 2016 22:33:47

  7. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    The Overtones are now singing “My Canada My Home.”

    Mon, Sep 26 2016 22:34:51

  8. Standing O for the Overtones. https://t.co/dXbwW1KH6W

    Standing O for the Overtones. pic.twitter.com/dXbwW1KH6W
    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    ·

    Mon, Sep 26 2016 22:36:47

  9. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Reminder: Anyone can apply to sing or play ‘O Canada’ before council.

    Mon, Sep 26 2016 22:37:09

  10. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie says that b/c so many are here for Gordon’s motion, it’s being moved up to the beginning. Applause.

    Mon, Sep 26 2016 22:38:36

  11. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie asks that it be noted that the water advocates applauded for something he said.

    Mon, Sep 26 2016 22:38:54

  12. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Order of info: United Way presentation, minutes, agenda amending, items with delegations, Gordon motion, rest of the meeting.

    Mon, Sep 26 2016 22:39:35

  13. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Suzanne Holder, Project Co-ordinator in the Office of the CAO to present plan for United Way campaign w/ co-chair Allt stepping in 4 Guthrie

    Mon, Sep 26 2016 22:40:24

  14. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Allt says he’s here to “put the touch on everyone” to get money for United Way. Knows he makes ppl angry when he asks for $$

    Mon, Sep 26 2016 22:41:31

  15. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Reminder: Guelph Politico also needs your support.  https://www.patreon.com/guelphpolitico  😉

    Mon, Sep 26 2016 22:42:24

  16. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Allt points out that UW offers supports to combat hoarding, confesses he himself is a hoarder.

    Mon, Sep 26 2016 22:43:05

  17. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Allt asks to make this the best UW campaign ever.

    Mon, Sep 26 2016 22:43:32

  18. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Allt wants to show that #Guelph is the best community. The best. You know what I mean…

    Mon, Sep 26 2016 22:44:28

  19. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “We’re going to have a very sock-ccessful campaign” says Allt on the “Pull Up Your Socks” initiative.

    Mon, Sep 26 2016 22:45:28

  20. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Approval of the minutes moved by Downer, 2nd by Piper. Passes 13-0

    Mon, Sep 26 2016 22:46:12

  21. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Stormwater Fees or Charges By-law and Sustainable Funding Strategy only to be pulled from CotW agenda by Cllr Bell.

    Mon, Sep 26 2016 22:48:19

  22. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Approval of the rest of CotW reports passes 13-0

    Mon, Sep 26 2016 22:48:36

  23. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Hugh Whiteley enters on cue to talk about Downey rd improvements.

    Mon, Sep 26 2016 22:49:56

  24. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Whiteley says that traffic study is only half finished but the arterial roads won’t be able to carry higher volumes of traffic.

    Mon, Sep 26 2016 22:50:45

  25. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    A mystery attached to 2008 he says. Annual average daily traffic (AADT) on Niska is a problem for Downey, Whiteley says

    Mon, Sep 26 2016 22:51:50

  26. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Perception of the neighbourhood important aspect, but can’t be technically measures, says Whiteley.

    Mon, Sep 26 2016 22:52:33

  27. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Niska volume is 6x the trigger for traffic calming requirements, says Whiteley. Bit of a problem for the Niska/Downey intersection

    Mon, Sep 26 2016 22:53:38

  28. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Hofland Q the only one for Whiteley.

    Mon, Sep 26 2016 22:56:49

  29. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    The Niska Rd process is now at the MoECC, has nothing to do with Downey, they’re 2 separate projects, says staff.

    Mon, Sep 26 2016 23:00:09

  30. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Billings is asking that staff come back with a detailed design before construction to help deal with some of the concerns Whiteley highlited

    Mon, Sep 26 2016 23:02:04

  31. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Staff says that a complete phase 1/2 plan b4 going to public might tie hands and result in a longer process.

    Mon, Sep 26 2016 23:02:53

  32. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Pedestrian refuge islands and bike facilities are part of the plan for Downey Rd.

    Mon, Sep 26 2016 23:03:39

  33. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    The longer process may push things back and not start as early in construction season. Plus, phase 1 is simple.

    Mon, Sep 26 2016 23:04:03

  34. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    2nd phase includes cushioning and sloping, more complicated traffic calming. Report will come back btwn 1 and 2

    Mon, Sep 26 2016 23:04:56

  35. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    There will be a report on phase 1 of traffic calming before council approves moving on to phases 2 (in other words).

    Mon, Sep 26 2016 23:05:23

  36. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Hofland proposes to amend 2nd clause to say “in principle.” Billings agrees.

    Mon, Sep 26 2016 23:06:30

  37. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Downey Road Transportation Improvement Study passes 13-0. Next, the executive action plan

    Mon, Sep 26 2016 23:07:09

  38. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Derrick Thomson will present. Thrilled by the community response to new Corporate Admin Plan, he jokes.

    Mon, Sep 26 2016 23:08:01

  39. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Thomson says city isn’t starting from scratch, dedication to value for services already here.

    Mon, Sep 26 2016 23:08:48

  40. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    City reaching the end of current corporate strategic plan.

    Mon, Sep 26 2016 23:09:32

  41. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Later this week we’ll get the annual “Making a difference” report.

    Mon, Sep 26 2016 23:09:48

  42. The goals. https://t.co/N8tWkAs5Nz

    The goals. pic.twitter.com/N8tWkAs5Nz
    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    ·

    Mon, Sep 26 2016 23:11:23

  43. The plan is simple by design, says Thomson. https://t.co/RsoUmEmKvD

    The plan is simple by design, says Thomson. pic.twitter.com/RsoUmEmKvD
    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    ·

    Mon, Sep 26 2016 23:12:12

  44. The 3 part plan. https://t.co/t4YXtO937z

    The 3 part plan. pic.twitter.com/t4YXtO937z
    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    ·

    Mon, Sep 26 2016 23:13:01

  45. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Much discussion about the creation of “a culture of openness.”

    Mon, Sep 26 2016 23:16:53

  46. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    New plan will promote “culture of collaboration” through civic accelerator/roundtables and other ways.

    Mon, Sep 26 2016 23:18:10

  47. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Thomson says there are 2K employees at @cityofguelph. Are staff being efficient when they make a difference one-on-one?

    Mon, Sep 26 2016 23:21:51

  48. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    No, but they are the ones Thomson looks forward to working with everyday.

    Mon, Sep 26 2016 23:22:14

  49. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    No Qs for the CAO team.

    Mon, Sep 26 2016 23:22:35

  50. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie says he’s never seen a more well-function exec team, in private or public sector. He’s proud of their work.

    Mon, Sep 26 2016 23:23:11

  51. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Applause for Guthrie’s comments

    Mon, Sep 26 2016 23:23:38

  52. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Pat Fung, Statler to Gerry Barker’s Waldorf, is the delegation.

    Mon, Sep 26 2016 23:24:16

  53. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “Why aren’t service cuts ever considered?” Fung asks. Response of CAO is to add taxes and user fees.

    Mon, Sep 26 2016 23:24:53

  54. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    No direct value to the citizens of Guelph says Fung of city hall aspects

    Mon, Sep 26 2016 23:25:29

  55. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Fung complains about too many communication staff. Number 1 complaint on any city issue: not enough communications.

    Mon, Sep 26 2016 23:26:11

  56. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Fung gets some applause from the audience.

    Mon, Sep 26 2016 23:27:47

  57. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie says he finds it a little bit disturbing that ppl are coming to council to challenge city staff this way.

    Mon, Sep 26 2016 23:28:15

  58. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Allt has a Q, but says it would be inappropriate at this point.

    Mon, Sep 26 2016 23:28:35

  59. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Nothing further from council.

    Mon, Sep 26 2016 23:28:47

  60. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Council votes to receive the report. Passes 13-0

    Mon, Sep 26 2016 23:30:00

  61. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Raquel Gurr, Sr. Corporate Analyst, Development Charges and Long Term Planning on Guelph’s AA+ S&P rating.

    Mon, Sep 26 2016 23:30:32

  62. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    According to S&P, Guelph has exceptional liquidity, very strong budgetary performance, very low debt burden, & strong financial management.

    Mon, Sep 26 2016 23:31:26

  63. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guelph’s had AA+ for last three years.

    Mon, Sep 26 2016 23:32:38

  64. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guelph has higher relative standing as compared to similar municipalities, hence the +. “Stable” means this won’t likely change.

    Mon, Sep 26 2016 23:33:50

  65. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Our institutional framework is “very predictable and well-balanced,” much to Pat Fung’s dismay no doubt.

    Mon, Sep 26 2016 23:35:58

  66. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    S&P rating not just based on operating budget, but all city assets as well.

    Mon, Sep 26 2016 23:38:41

  67. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Allt asks about references to finding efficiencies, isn’t S&P lookingg at how well we’re doing that?

    Mon, Sep 26 2016 23:41:03

  68. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    No, S&P doesn’t look at that, but over successive years efficiencies have been presented, says Staff. “Too many to be presented now.”

    Mon, Sep 26 2016 23:41:32

  69. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “Are people interpreting different methods in different ways?” asks Allt.

    Mon, Sep 26 2016 23:41:50

  70. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Amarosi says city is happy to “compare ourselves to anybody”.

    Mon, Sep 26 2016 23:42:40

  71. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Cannot draw conclusions from per person costs, says Amarosi. May be valid reasons why per person costs vary.

    Mon, Sep 26 2016 23:43:57

  72. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Billings asking about how much the debt has to be cut down to in order to get a AAA?

    Mon, Sep 26 2016 23:45:18

  73. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Staff: S&P doesn’t share detailed info, or actual measures. Can’t call them up and get exact number.

    Mon, Sep 26 2016 23:46:30

  74. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Billings asks about maybe a ball park figure.

    Mon, Sep 26 2016 23:46:50

  75. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Billings asks if anyone remembers the last time Guelph had AAA. Apparently no.

    Mon, Sep 26 2016 23:48:17

  76. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Wettstein says he and Downer recall it was AAA but “for about 3 weeks.”

    Mon, Sep 26 2016 23:48:41

  77. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Most municipalities rank ‘average’ in budget flexibility b/c there isn’t much wiggle room.

    Mon, Sep 26 2016 23:49:19

  78. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Wettstein says AAA comes at a cost in terms of cutting services and people. Would affect service in the end.

    Mon, Sep 26 2016 23:51:37

  79. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    5 municipalities have a AAA, but they are much larger than ours.

    Mon, Sep 26 2016 23:52:41

  80. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Hofland moves receipt of the report, Billings seconds. Hofland congratulates staff on the AA+ rating.

    Mon, Sep 26 2016 23:55:39

  81. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gibson says we have to stay focused on being diligent. Ontario still has an A+ credit rating despite its tax burden.

    Mon, Sep 26 2016 23:56:43

  82. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    He saved the joke about splashing some cold water.

    Mon, Sep 26 2016 23:57:05

  83. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Receipt of report passes 13-0.

    Mon, Sep 26 2016 23:57:14

  84. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie teases the crowd about taking a break.

    Mon, Sep 26 2016 23:57:45

  85. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Things are getting rowdy as Guthrie calls 10 minute break. Some chant “we’re not leaving”

    Mon, Sep 26 2016 23:58:20

  86. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Crowd tickling back in to the chamber, the show will go on in a minute.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 00:04:03

  87. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Back in session.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 00:05:14

  88. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie says it’s been great meeting so far, hopes it continues.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 00:05:44

  89. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie asks clerk Stephen O’brien to clarify delegation issue.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 00:06:13

  90. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    O’Brien: Notices of motions come to council is referred to committee since most of the work is done at that level.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 00:06:51

  91. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    1st chance for delegations: Oct 3 CotW meeting, then Oct 24 meet of council.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 00:07:15

  92. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie asks Gordon to read motion and get someone to second it.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 00:07:32

  93. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Council, with support of staff, to express concern that permit is not in the best interest of Guelph (basically).

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 00:08:12

  94. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gordon shows pile of hand written letters from school kids.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 00:08:55

  95. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    If “Heart & Carrying” had a graph “you guys would be off the charts,” Gordon says to the crowd.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 00:09:32

  96. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “It’s clear that you care deeply about water,” says Gordon.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 00:10:06

  97. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gordon credits staff for enforcing restrictions this summer, reminds that Guelph is the largest city to rely solely on ground water.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 00:10:53

  98. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “It seems like it’s time to talk about this, but tonight is not about [public input]” says Gordon.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 00:12:02

  99. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gordon urges fellow councillors to approve whether they agree with the content of the motion or not.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 00:12:30

  100. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gordon criticizes mayor for voting against motion before hearing from the public.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 00:13:00

  101. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “People need us to make a political statement” that staff can’t make, says Gordon. Need to have convo about what’s best for city now

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 00:14:09

  102. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Comments on the motion by @PhilAlltWard3:  http://philallt.ca/news/where-civic-pride-and-responsibility-meet …

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 00:15:30

  103. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    People sense a looming crisis and they don’t want to wait, says Gordon.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 00:16:02

  104. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    An expectation here that the council can be bold, says Gordon. Again urges council to hear from public.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 00:17:06

  105. The crowd goes wild. https://t.co/WyyJHx8cE6

    The crowd goes wild. pic.twitter.com/WyyJHx8cE6
    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    ·

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 00:17:42

  106. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Bell says he doesn’t think Gordon wanted council to vote on motion w/o staff comment. Wants to hear both sides.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 00:18:56

  107. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Bell repeats that this is a motion to refer to a future meeting, doesn’t think Oct 3 is enough time tho.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 00:19:45

  108. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “We are a Blue Dot Community – a city that takes its environmental responsibilities seriously,” says Allt.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 00:21:02

  109. Allt cont'd: https://t.co/gbyP06qrnR

    Allt cont’d: pic.twitter.com/gbyP06qrnR
    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    ·

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 00:22:23

  110. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    This is not about Nestle, or any one corp. It’s about sustainability, says Allt

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 00:22:48

  111. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Big applause for Allt (no standing O though).

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 00:24:07

  112. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    The motion is the referral to Oct 3. Billings also questions the immediacy though she appreciates the need for public input.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 00:25:06

  113. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Billings asks if there can be a full report from staff on Oct 3.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 00:25:26

  114. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Stewart says there’s a place-holder for Nov 7 for a report on water.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 00:25:56

  115. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    MoECC not accepting comments, public or otherwise right now.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 00:26:37

  116. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Downer was also going to ask about staff report, notes that there are 2 discussions here and perhaps they should both be at same meet.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 00:27:45

  117. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Downer: Community has clearly expressed an interest and they want to delegate, but doesn’t want delegates at 4 meetings.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 00:28:44

  118. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Downer asks if Gordon might consider having motion discussed at Nov 7 CotW.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 00:29:34

  119. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Some light murmuring from the floor. “We’ll be there!” someone says.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 00:29:58

  120. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gordon says if its the will of council that the 2 convos will be held at the same time, he can support it. But…

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 00:30:34

  121. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    …he believes the larger issues on water taking might be closed in the shuffle of a staff report.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 00:31:00

  122. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Downer says it would be nice to see more councillors support this motion, and is looking to split the difference moving it to Nov 7

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 00:32:18

  123. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    She doesn’t want to see it to fail on a “technicality of process.”

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 00:32:37

  124. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    She doesn’t want to see it to fail on a “technicality of process.”

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 00:32:37

  125. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gibson says council wants to address the concerns of community, but the motion has “morphed” in the last month.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 00:33:29

  126. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gibson says council wants to address the concerns of community, but the motion has “morphed” in the last month.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 00:33:29

  127. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Premier is now talking about change and original Sept 30 deadline is off, but Gibson wants to caution that media narrative is unfair

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 00:34:38

  128. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Premier is now talking about change and original Sept 30 deadline is off, but Gibson wants to caution that media narrative is unfair

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 00:34:38

  129. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gibson notes that city doesn’t endorse water bottling.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 00:34:51

  130. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gibson notes that city doesn’t endorse water bottling.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 00:34:51

  131. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gibson: Never felt there was a “showdown” tone to the decision tonight.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 00:35:16

  132. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gibson refers back to this motion. “It perfectly articulates” the voices in the city.  https://twitter.com/Ward1Guelph/status/780061146325868544 …

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 00:37:25

  133. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gibson asks Gordon if they can attach the Nov 7 date? Wants a unity motion.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 00:38:20

  134. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Before answering, Gordon wants to hear the speakers list.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 00:39:09

  135. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    MacKinnon wants to make an amendment: put it to CotW without date if province changes parameters.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 00:39:46

  136. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Cllr Bell will second MacKinnon’s motion.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 00:40:33

  137. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Piper has a “whole list of reasons” to speak to original motion. But on amendment she notes there’s momentum now.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 00:41:15

  138. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Piper says that this is a political debate, and a planning issue, and the staff report doesn’t come back till after community feedback

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 00:42:05

  139. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Big applause for that.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 00:42:13

  140. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “This is something touching every aspect of our community,” Piper says. There’s a limited window b4 budget debates

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 00:43:23

  141. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Wettstein says there’s no question about need to look at water issue, the confusion is what’s the motion tonight.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 00:44:31

  142. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Not a water supply issue, but the responsible use of water.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 00:45:31

  143. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Wettstein has a very specific Guelph interest and an economic reality: sending message to legal companies in middle of process.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 00:46:31

  144. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Not a Nestle issue, but a Guelph water issue, says Wettstein.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 00:46:58

  145. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Wettstein more than happy to support motion if mention of Nestle is taken out and it sets Nov 7 as the date,

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 00:48:57

  146. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Wettstein says the open date could extend things beyond a comfortable date.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 00:50:17

  147. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    MacKinnon withdraws motion changes referral to Nov 7. No seconder though. Back to the main motion.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 00:50:40

  148. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Hofland supports motion b/c important public conversation has to happen.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 00:51:37

  149. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Hofland adds she’s not tied to the date, but she wants to get going and is keen on the momentum.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 00:52:01

  150. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    There’s an opportunity here to show leadership b/c it’s a global issue, says Hofland.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 00:52:35

  151. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Salisbury confused b/c council wants to see this go to Nov 7 CotW meet, then no 2nd for MacKinnon motion to do that.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 00:53:26

  152. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie warns crowd about decorum, likes the energy, but crowd needs to let councillors speak.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 00:54:17

  153. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Salisbury says its a lonely job b/c they deal with issues that sometimes ppl have no interest in, this is not the case here.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 00:54:50

  154. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “This is one of those situations where I don’t think I can make a decision based on my opinion” Salisbury says.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 00:55:33

  155. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Salisbury recalls the great pipeline debate, public outcry resulted in council not following staff report to consider the option.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 00:56:32

  156. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Salisbury said the motion Gibson present from a decade ago was not technical. Tying this to staff report and province a moving target

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 00:57:25

  157. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Salisbury wonders if anyone wants to come out to speak in favour of the water taking permit. Would like to hear from them.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 00:57:56

  158. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Salisbury went to US midwest this summer. They’re going dry and “that’s a terrifying proposition” he says.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 00:58:37

  159. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Applause for Salisbury. Doesn’t want to go down in history for closing the door on this discussion.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 00:59:56

  160. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gibson has point of order, Salisbury said council wants to shut down debate, and Gibson says that’s false. Asks for a retract.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 01:00:38

  161. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Salisbury says that delay is shutting down debate, but Guthrie rules that Gibson is correct.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 01:01:09

  162. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Salisbury withdraws shutting down comment, some in the crown hiss at Guthrie.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 01:01:35

  163. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Allt notes that city has saved $40 million over 10 years for water conservation. Critics never ID that as a savings.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 01:02:39

  164. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Allt wants to send province a message and not politicize staff.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 01:02:59

  165. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Piper notes that Guelph has already set precedents on planning matters and water taking.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 01:04:00

  166. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Piper understands that the wording refers to “the catalyst”, but this is the first of many permits the city will want to comment on…

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 01:04:31

  167. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    … might as well have the political debate right now.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 01:04:47

  168. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Stewart: IDE has a placeholder on Nov 7, if province moves dates for comment the placeholder will also move.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 01:06:16

  169. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Billings notes that the motion is tied to the registry process, which isn’t yet open.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 01:06:56

  170. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    What if hypothetically council comes up with one message and staff comes up with another? asks Billings.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 01:07:36

  171. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Billings can only support referral if its done along with staff report.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 01:07:57

  172. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    MacKinnon points out that political decisions are based on technical staff reports all the time.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 01:08:15

  173. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Majority of councillors have specific problems with this wording, MacKinnon says.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 01:08:46

  174. PhilAlltWard3

    Phil Allt@PhilAlltWard3
    @adamadonaldson  http://philallt.ca/news/where-civic-pride-and-responsibility-meet … my views on what Guelph should do re: groundwater @cityofguelph @wwaterwatchers @CouncilofCDNs

    ·

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 01:09:11

  175. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gibson wants to try an amendment, seconded by Van Hellemond.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 01:11:16

  176. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Salisbury asks if they would still move forward if staff report is unavailable for the Nov 7 date.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 01:11:51

  177. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gibson says a greta Q, asks staff if they can make the timeline.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 01:12:12

  178. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Stewart says if the review process isn’t opened by province by Nov 7, there will be no report.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 01:12:41

  179. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Finally…  https://twitter.com/brianstelter/status/780575883677556736 …

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 01:13:47

  180. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Salisbury follows up with Q for staff: why is staff report dependent on reporting period laid out by province? Can’t we go it b4hand?

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 01:14:38

  181. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Depends on the parameters that the province is looking at, hence why staff has to wait for the call for public feedback

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 01:15:26

  182. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Salisbury says that it sounds like the province maybe changing their parameters though.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 01:16:06

  183. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “Regulator needs to regulate” says Stewart.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 01:17:16

  184. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Salisbury notes previous motion from ’06 was ambiguous. preferred less water taking.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 01:18:08

  185. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gibson amendment: Council, w/support, submit comment thru EVR about Guelph concern of water taking referred to Nov 7 CotW meeting.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 01:18:57

  186. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Wettstein asks for word change from support to assistance.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 01:19:27

  187. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “We’ll cross that bridge when we come to it,” Guthrie says.
    The crowd groans.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 01:20:43

  188. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Thomson: If prov doesn’t ask for comment, council could decide to still receive delegates.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 01:21:20

  189. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Bell: We already have a position on expanded water taking, Q is whether existing permit should be renewed.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 01:22:29

  190. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Bell: We could direct staff to report on renewing the present permit. Already opposition on renewal.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 01:22:58

  191. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Bell doesn’t want to entertain any discussion till there’s science from staff.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 01:23:26

  192. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Right now only the slight wording amendment is on the floor. Guthrie pushes for vote. Changing “support” to “assistance” passes 13-0

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 01:24:21

  193. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    A referral will always show up on an agenda anyways whether there’s a report or not, Guthrie notes.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 01:24:59

  194. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gordon on why he didn’t answer Gibson’s email” 1) family matter that set him back 2) no EVR 3) presumptuous to act w/o specific info.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 01:27:07

  195. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gordon notes that Gibson’s referral is the same except that “the N word” was taken out. Not sure how it can be taken out of equation

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 01:27:46

  196. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gordon said it “waters down” motion, working Allt’s turf as council pun master.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 01:28:27

  197. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “I’m really good at losing, I ran twice for the NDP” Gordon says on motion.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 01:28:47

  198. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “We’re tying ourselves in on the province, who are dithering on this” says Gordon on sense of urgency.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 01:29:11

  199. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Discussion could inform the staff report, says Gordon.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 01:29:47

  200. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gordon also pleased to find common ground with MacKinnon, “It’s a special day,” he says.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 01:30:18

  201. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gordon says he can’t support something that ties the city in to a provincial mandate they’re not pursuing.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 01:30:44

  202. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    The motion frees us up from talking about one permit and speaking about water taking process, says Gibson. We have a lot to hear from comm.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 01:31:38

  203. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “We can simply have a conversation about our concerns around water taking,” says Gibson.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 01:32:04

  204. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Sounds about right.  https://twitter.com/TechnicallyRon/status/780580363378843648 …

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 01:32:50

  205. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Allt refers back to Blue-Dot community. Have to hold true to the principles.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 01:33:46

  206. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “We’re neither fish nor fowl if we consider [tech and politics] at the same time,” says Allt.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 01:34:02

  207. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    If Guelph has to draw from Lake Erie we’re coveting the same water source as many US districts. Need to preserve own watershed

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 01:34:31

  208. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    This is a threat to the Great Lakes, beyond our own water shed.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 01:34:52

  209. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Piper proposes a special meeting of council

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 01:35:48

  210. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie says he brought that up in conversation with Salisbury today. Guthrie suggested the same thing for Kortright Church.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 01:36:29

  211. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “I’m already there with you,” says Guthrie.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 01:36:48

  212. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Oct 17 already taken for special planning meeting about Dublin St development.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 01:37:12

  213. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Save the date for November 21, maybe?

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 01:37:29

  214. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Downer says this is the beginning of a long discussion akin to pesticides and cigarettes.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 01:40:23

  215. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Downer says it needs to be tied to a date because the province may not put out the EVR till spring.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 01:41:05

  216. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    No definite date, no predictability so why not set a date, says Downer.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 01:41:41

  217. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Van Hellemond will speak last before the vote. Says the people need to be heard.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 01:42:21

  218. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Van Hellemond says he will personally drive Gordon to city hall so that Wynne hears Guelph feedback before she decides.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 01:42:54

  219. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    You’re witnessing a rare moment where the environmental lobby is loving Andy Van Hellemond.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 01:43:21

  220. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gordon wants clarification on what we’re about to vote on. A: Gibson referral.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 01:44:02

  221. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie says there’s been consensus last couple of hours, will support referral.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 01:44:25

  222. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie believes were a lot closer on this than people may think. Hopes province releases EVR, but the discussion will still take place.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 01:45:04

  223. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    It’s a good outcome, says Guthrie, preserving finite resources is important, and he’s in favour of hearing delegates.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 01:45:37

  224. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie has preference for staff report, but wants the feedback just the same.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 01:45:59

  225. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    We do need to send a message to the province, says Guthrie. Similar to motion made at committee about transit solutions.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 01:46:51

  226. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Apparently enough to bury them  https://twitter.com/Variety/status/780584468771852288 …

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 01:47:24

  227. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Difference between that and water is the urgency, Guthrie says, he didn’t consider that.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 01:47:48

  228. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “We will have a great discussion,” even w/o EVR, says Guthrie. A very positive moment.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 01:48:15

  229. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie looks forward to taking a stand

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 01:48:40

  230. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gibson referral passes 11-2 (Allt and Piper against)

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 01:49:05

  231. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    5 minute break before council continues with the rest of the agenda.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 01:49:37

  232. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Overheard: Allt says he didn’t want a technical report to bog down the political debate. Hence vote against.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 01:51:59

  233. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Piper says she voted against b/c she wants that public feedback before a staff report, but she’s still glad it passed.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 01:53:43

  234. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Council is back in session, and we have to remember that the main motion (as amended) still has to be voted on.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 02:02:06

  235. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Vote delayed till Van Hellemond re-enters/

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 02:03:16

  236. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie asked for a unanimous vote and gets it.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 02:03:36

  237. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Returning to Bell’s question on Stormwater report.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 02:03:52

  238. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Bell asks for clarity on new $4 charge and how that ties into previous discussions about money moved out of tax revenue.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 02:04:44

  239. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    $2/residential unit, staff recommending $4 to work towards sustainable level for stormwater capital

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 02:06:18

  240. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    MacKinnon asks about ramifications about reducing tax bill to landlords with stormwater moving to a utility. Adding $4-6 on rent/month

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 02:08:22

  241. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    No responsibility on multi residential properties to notify tenants if difference is greater than 2.49%

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 02:09:21

  242. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Van Hellemond asks about the need for $210K. It’s start-up costs, database and admin for Guelph Hydro.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 02:10:32

  243. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    There’s also a significant communications component (Pat Fung will not be pleased).

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 02:11:07

  244. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    @gruner_marion Yes. Gibson proposed an amendment, but the original motion must still be passed. That was unanimous.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 02:12:29

  245. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie suggests looking for a way to attach this communication to another to save costs.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 02:13:19

  246. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Report received 12-1. Billings opposed.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 02:13:34

  247. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gibson moves the bylaws, seconder by Wettstein passes 13-0

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 02:14:11

  248. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    No further motions or announcements.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 02:14:22

  249. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    And that’s a wrap for the meeting, 4 hours and 300 tweets later.

    Tue, Sep 27 2016 02:14:45

 

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