LIVE BLOG: City Council Meeting for November 28, 2016

Published on by Adam A. Donaldson

Tonight’s council meeting brings to end two major storylines of the fall: the 75 Dublin St development and the Council response to Nestle’s Permit to Take Water renewal. You can click here for the amended agenda from City Hall, and you can click here to read Politico’s preview of tonight’s meeting. For the complete blow-by-blow of tonight’s council meeting, you can follow me on Twitter, or follow along below via Storify.

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Adam A. Donaldson
Fri, Apr 21 2017 17:56:08

Guelph City Council Meeting – November 28, 2016

Live blog from the meeting starting at 6:30 pm

  1. Standing by for tonight's City Council meeting. Here's what's on tap: https://t.co/8B1qEdCWUI https://t.co/X6pVxnXQVX

    Standing by for tonight’s City Council meeting. Here’s what’s on tap:  http://guelphpolitico.blogspot.ca/2016/11/city-council-preview-whats-on-agenda_23.html … pic.twitter.com/X6pVxnXQVX
    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
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    Mon, Nov 28 2016 23:24:32

  2. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    For your reading interest, here’s a letter from @MaudeBarlow to #Guelph City Council on #WaterIsLife  http://guelphpolitico.blogspot.ca/2016/11/maude-barlow-has-words-for-guelph-city.html …

    Mon, Nov 28 2016 23:25:19

  3. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Delegations. On water there are 10, plus 3 correspondences.

    Mon, Nov 28 2016 23:26:14

  4. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    On 75 Dublin there are 32 delegations and 53 correspondences.

    Mon, Nov 28 2016 23:27:14

  5. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    There will be another delegation for the Engineering Manual too.

    Mon, Nov 28 2016 23:30:26

  6. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Mayor Guthrie is calling the meeting to order.

    Mon, Nov 28 2016 23:31:06

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    2 items from closed meeting: Update on Dev’t of Brant Comm. Hub & Dolime Quarry – Mediation Process Update. Direction given 2 staff on both

    Mon, Nov 28 2016 23:32:08

  8. Going to be a long night tonight at #Guelph council with 45+ delegations on 75 Dublin and Guelph's submission to Ont gov about water-taking! https://t.co/VA91S8BRVk

    Going to be a long night tonight at #Guelph council with 45+ delegations on 75 Dublin and Guelph’s submission to Ont gov about water-taking! pic.twitter.com/VA91S8BRVk
    Mark MacKinnon@ward6mark

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    Mon, Nov 28 2016 23:32:28

  9. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie introduces Guelph’s new First Nations Acknowledgment.

    Mon, Nov 28 2016 23:32:54

  10. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Canada has entered into a period of reconciliation, says Guthrie. Thru this territorial acknowledgement, Guelph is expressing its commitment

    Mon, Nov 28 2016 23:33:44

  11. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    The beginning of the journey in Guelph, says Guthrie. Recognizing the contributions of Canada’s Indigenous ppl.

    Mon, Nov 28 2016 23:34:17

  12. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “As we gather, we are reminded that Guelph is situation on treaty land…” opening of the First Nations Acknowledgement.

    Mon, Nov 28 2016 23:35:13

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    I’ll try to get the full text of that later.

    Mon, Nov 28 2016 23:35:26

  14. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    MacKinnon will not engage with discussion on living wage as a business owner that supports it.

    Mon, Nov 28 2016 23:35:58

  15. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    First up, presentation of Access Awareness Recognition Awards – Guelph Barrier Free Committee

    Mon, Nov 28 2016 23:36:28

  16. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Next will be Mayoral presentation of certificates to Guelph athletes who competed in the 2016 Olympic Games in Rio

    Mon, Nov 28 2016 23:38:03

  17. Good work @cityofguelph following through on developing and reading official city First Nation land acknowledgment. https://t.co/UeolbxbpBT

    Good work @cityofguelph following through on developing and reading official city First Nation land acknowledgment. pic.twitter.com/UeolbxbpBT
    Mike Schreiner@MikeSchreiner

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    Mon, Nov 28 2016 23:38:46

  18. .@adamadonaldson .@cityofguelph .@GuelphMatters Guelph Council chamber applauds the first First Nations acknowledgement by City Council. https://t.co/ayNO8MYIE7

    .@adamadonaldson .@cityofguelph .@GuelphMatters Guelph Council chamber applauds the first First Nations acknowledgement by City Council. pic.twitter.com/ayNO8MYIE7
    Phil Allt@PhilAlltWard3

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    Mon, Nov 28 2016 23:38:48

  19. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    There ppl on the stairs and in the entrance of council chambers. If you’re reading this, and in chambers, make some room. I see empty seats

    Mon, Nov 28 2016 23:40:07

  20. Watching the access awareness recognition awards great job Guelph barrier Free Committee. #guelphproud https://t.co/zfZwiOi9iu

    Watching the access awareness recognition awards great job Guelph barrier Free Committee.
    #guelphproud pic.twitter.com/zfZwiOi9iu
    Scott Stewart@_S_Stewart

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    Mon, Nov 28 2016 23:42:56

  21. Here's Anne getting her award, she founded @SunriseRiding. https://t.co/D12UoBW0O3

    Here’s Anne getting her award, she founded @SunriseRiding. pic.twitter.com/D12UoBW0O3
    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
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    Mon, Nov 28 2016 23:44:09

  22. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    That’s all for the Access Awareness Recognition Awards. Next is certificates to #Guelph Olympians.

    Mon, Nov 28 2016 23:49:14

  23. Triathlete Andrew York is one of several #guelph based Olympians being honoured tonight at city… https://t.co/ciguPG0xPX

    Triathlete Andrew York is one of several #guelph based Olympians being honoured tonight at city…  https://www.instagram.com/p/BNX36J5FeOK/ 
    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
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    Mon, Nov 28 2016 23:55:29

  24. Class photo of all #guelph Olympic and Paralympic athletes here tonight at #cityhall. https://t.co/DPN02T6XsO

    Class photo of all #guelph Olympic and Paralympic athletes here tonight at #cityhall.  https://www.instagram.com/p/BNX4tYulNFV/ 
    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
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    Tue, Nov 29 2016 00:02:28

  25. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Taking a couple of minutes from people to shuffle out, and open up some seats.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 00:02:52

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Basically, the special guests and award winners were taking up half the seats, so lots of places to sit now.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 00:03:49

  27. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Cllr Gordon moves the minutes from previous meetings. Passes unanimously.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 00:04:51

  28. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Council moves to deal with Living wage campaign first. Guthrie calls the vote and it passes 11-0-1.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 00:05:38

  29. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Next 20,000 Homes Initiative vote. Passes 12-0

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 00:06:23

  30. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Next public appointments. (They’re all listed on the agenda  http://guelph.ca/wp-content/uploads/council_consolidated_agenda_112816.pdf …)

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 00:06:52

  31. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Council appointments pass 12-0

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 00:07:14

  32. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    FYI @ward5guelph is not in council tonight hence a vote of 12.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 00:07:31

  33. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Only item to be pulled from the consent agenda is about next year’s meeting schedule.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 00:09:17

  34. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Consent agenda passes 12-0

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 00:10:08

  35. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Hofland asked to pull the sked b/c of June meeting move to Tues for FCM meeting.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 00:11:18

  36. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Been a past practice to move June meet to Tues b/c of travel troubles. Clerk says shouldn’t be an issue.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 00:11:55

  37. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    March, May Cot-Whole also start at 6 instead of 2, why?
    Clerk: Probably conflicts with other board meeting, etc.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 00:13:12

  38. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Hofland also asking about meeting in January.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 00:13:57

  39. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Clerk: Jan is to address the gap btw IDE or Governance issues. Need to insure issues are still coming forward.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 00:14:45

  40. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    The March, May Committee of the Whole start times a typo; June 5 meeting will move to Jun 6 for FCM

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 00:18:16

  41. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Items for Discussion: Engineering Manual, Water-Taking, 75 Dublin.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 00:19:35

  42. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    First up: Laura Murr, on the Engineering Manual.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 00:19:52

  43. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Murr has concerns because current plan doesn’t separate major and minor collector roads, the manual does.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 00:21:41

  44. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Need a Transportation plan update, haven’t had one since 2005, Murr says.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 00:22:18

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Hofland asks Murr about developers paying from traffic calming. Is that best practices?

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 00:24:36

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Murr says it’s just common sense to help create walkable community. Westminster woods did it to pay for roundabout.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 00:25:09

  47. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Salisbury compliments Murr for “drilling down” on complex document. Can staff address concerns?

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 00:25:52

  48. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Staff: It’s a continuous improvement exorcise, and it will be update in an ongoing way.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 00:26:33

  49. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Concerns about arterials will be addressed in transportation update in 2017.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 00:26:59

  50. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Bell, Hofland move to accept the report.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 00:29:08

  51. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie gets confirmation that the Transport Master Plan will come for delegation in 2017. It will.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 00:29:41

  52. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Engineering Manual approved 12-0

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 00:29:52

  53. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Now water-taking. 10 delegations, 5 minutes each.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 00:30:16

  54. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Amber Sherwood-Robinson begins.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 00:30:40

  55. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    ASR concerned that local Indigenous people were not considered in this report. Also objects to comparing Nestle to the N-word.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 00:32:10

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    ASR thinks there were no specifics offered on community consultation plus avoidance of Nestle since they’re “a big part of the conversation”

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 00:33:01

  57. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Ashley Wallis from Environmental Defence up next.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 00:34:08

  58. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Wallis: Ontario has bottled water problem, take water for $3.71/million L and see back to us at huge mark-up.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 00:35:22

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Wallis believes this is the time to deal with plastic pollution.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 00:35:53

  60. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    $338 million, the amount of money made by bottled water industry in Canada annually, says Wallis.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 00:37:33

  61. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Blue bin fails to capture the plastic bottles, Ontario one of 2 provinces without deposit on plastic bottles, says Wallis.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 00:38:18

  62. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Wallis adds she’s not from Guelph, but she is human.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 00:38:33

  63. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Ron East next.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 00:38:56

  64. Congrats to @gpsmedia @GuelphFire @PRGWEMS for receiving the Access Recognition Award @cityofguelph from #Guelph Barrier Free Committee pic.twitter.com/zzqvyJtEJ1
    Jeff DeRuyter@ChiefDeRuyter

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    Tue, Nov 29 2016 00:39:57

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    East says Nestle is involved in many disputes around the world, incl Guelph. Described as litigious and predatory, he says.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 00:40:04

  66. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    East concerned about Nestle hydrologists and assurances that there’s no concerns. Calls it “blind faith” in the research presented.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 00:42:05

  67. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    East says #Guelph should prepare to get their water from Lake Erie if Nestle is allowed to continue.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 00:44:51

  68. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Applause for East, as Robert Case takes the podium next. Guthrie reminds the crowd no clapping.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 00:45:27

  69. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Case is here as an individual, though he is a member of @wwaterwatchers too. Thanks staff for work and hopes council will move package.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 00:46:13

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Next up is @MikeSchreiner, who begins by thanking everyone for taking part in public consultation.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 00:51:02

  71. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Schreiner says council and staff should be commended for hold special meet, and listening to the public in this cynical era.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 00:51:41

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Schreiner also hopes for unanimous vote to send strong message to province.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 00:52:04

  73. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Salisbury asks Schreiner about feedback he’s getting door-to-door.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 00:52:51

  74. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Schreiner says 100% awareness, and 95% support for council to protect water.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 00:53:32

  75. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Cameron Floret of the #Guelph Chapter of @CouncilofCDNs. He’s reading this letter from Maude Barlow.  http://guelphpolitico.blogspot.ca/2016/11/maude-barlow-has-words-for-guelph-city.html …

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 00:54:40

  76. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    No Qs for Cameron. Terry MacIntosh is up next.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 00:56:19

  77. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    MacIntosh underlines the word “finite” in “finite resource”

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 00:56:55

  78. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    MacIntosh: Seeing more and more demonstrations around the planet of resources running out. California to Bolivia.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 00:57:32

  79. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Plastic takes a long time to break down, ends up in the ecosystem and food chain. A theme hit a lot tonight in delegations.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 00:58:48

  80. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Next up is Jennifer Kerr and Sam Gordon, both of Nestle Waters.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 00:59:42

  81. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Kerr, director of corporate affairs, actually agrees with previous delegate Ashley Wallis.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 01:00:16

  82. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Kerr says Nestle has much more robust monitoring program than competitors.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 01:00:49

  83. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Kerr says she saw a lot of false info in media and social media. Wants to set record straight.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 01:01:20

  84. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    For instance, Aberfoyle water stays mostly in Ontario, and their bottles are mostly recyclable.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 01:02:00

  85. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Also didn’t like personal attacks on people working at Nestle and drink bottled water.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 01:02:22

  86. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Kerr says staff recommendations are based on science = good.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 01:02:57

  87. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “We need to take a holistic approach to water sustainability in Ontario,” and not just focus on one company, says Kerr.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 01:04:10

  88. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Cllr Allt asks about examples he’s been given where #Guelph water ends up in Mexico. Kerr says 100% of local water stays in Canada.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 01:05:46

  89. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Allt asks if wholesalers might be shipping it out of Canada. Kerr says that’s outside her knowledge.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 01:06:18

  90. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Kerr says bottled water is .6 per cent, would like all water users looked at. Staff recommendation too narrow.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 01:08:01

  91. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Next: Sam Gordon from Nestle. He’s a factory manager working at Nestle for 17 years.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 01:11:23

  92. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Nestle employees live, work, volunteer, and spend money in Guelph, says Gordon.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 01:12:24

  93. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Division btw Nestle and the public has gotten vicious in the last couple of weeks, Gordon says.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 01:13:03

  94. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Nestle never claimed to replace tap water, Gordon adds, its just a healthy alternative “on the go.”

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 01:13:31

  95. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Last delegate on water-taking: perennial council delegate Hugh Whiteley.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 01:14:06

  96. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Whiteley says pipeline has been “raised as a spectre”, but its on the back burner for the next 40 years b/c Reg of Waterloo has adequate

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 01:16:24

  97. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “Water-shed” not mentioned in framework, the balance provision is out of date, says Whiteley.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 01:19:16

  98. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Economy functions because of the environment, says Whiteley. There is no balance.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 01:19:43

  99. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Some laughs was Allt confuses Whiteley with Wheatley (his dentist)

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 01:21:54

  100. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Whiteley notes that new census numbers are coming out in the next few months, and imagines that #Guelph will stay below pop. projections

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 01:28:35

  101. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    No more Qs for Whiteley. Council will now discuss the staff recommendation. 7 points.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 01:31:06

  102. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    MacKinnon and Gordon move all 7 recommendations, they both have an amendment though.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 01:31:38

  103. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    MacKinnon’s got a grammar point in #6: promote reduction of waste, *and encourage* recycling and reuse within the Guelph.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 01:32:29

  104. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gordon proposes Recommendation #8 that City recommend to province consultation with 1st Nations communities impacted.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 01:33:41

  105. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Allt second Recommendation #8. Says it believes it gives substance for something that could be “words at a start of the meeting”

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 01:35:19

  106. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “This is how I want it done on budget night, all written out,” says Guthrie.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 01:35:59

  107. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    DCAO Stewart says staff’s got no issues with this.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 01:36:13

  108. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gibson notes that “full consultation” is loaded. Does it imply that full consultation wouldn’t occur?

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 01:36:41

  109. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Intergovernmental says this can be read as “gentle reminder” to province to follow their protocols.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 01:37:39

  110. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Intergovernmental affairs notes that community also encouraging the province to consult First Nations.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 01:39:15

  111. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Staff currently finessing the wording of the new point #8.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 01:41:06

  112. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gordon offers that the word “appropriate” could replace “full” in the motion. Wettstein likes that better.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 01:42:27

  113. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    MacKinnon wants to clarify why he’s voting now. Wants to look at what’s being addressed as opposed to why they’re addressing it…

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 01:45:16

  114. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    …Has faith that Province knows how to conduct process and who to talk to.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 01:45:47

  115. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Salisbury says that his understanding of motion is to relate to higher level of gov what is important to this community…

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 01:46:23

  116. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    …We have no authority, and it may be a moot point, but it comes back to the intent of the motion to reflect will of #guelph.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 01:46:58

  117. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie: “There’s our first water joke of the night.”
    Salisbury: “And there’s more coming down the pipe”

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 01:48:07

  118. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Vote on #8: 11-1. MacKinnon lone no vote.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 01:48:24

  119. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gordon asks to change point #3.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 01:49:33

  120. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Alter #3.3: “community or public water needs are a recognized priority” to “community or public water needs are the recognized priority”

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 01:49:50

  121. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    DCAO Stewart reminds public to submit their own comments to the province as well.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 01:50:14

  122. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    DCAO Stewart says it’s never a good idea to massage changes on the fly. Staff has chosen their words “wisely”

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 01:51:29

  123. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Allt says change is important b/c sustainability is imperative, doesn’t preclude agriculture et al. Everything depends on sustainable water

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 01:52:57

  124. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Wettstein not comfortable with 11 non-scientists playing around with the grammar of “a” and “the”

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 01:56:22

  125. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gordon says the point could be made that “corporate water taking” is a priority with the “a” reading.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 01:57:31

  126. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Vote on changing “a” to “the” fails. Bell, Billings, Gibson, MacKinnnon, Van Hellemond, and Wettstein vote against.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 01:58:39

  127. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Downer would like to see the companies take on more responsibility for promoting recycling.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 02:00:10

  128. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Downer also recommends looking at the deposit issue.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 02:00:52

  129. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Just a reminder that there are still 32 people waiting to speak on 75 Dublin.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 02:02:10

  130. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Allt says he hopes at some point we rediscover deposits on all plastic containers. Onus is not just on water, but gotta start somewhere.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 02:02:49

  131. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Wettstein says he’d have no problem with the motion if it was for *all* plastic bottles.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 02:04:19

  132. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Downer says we’re responding to the water issue right now though, if province takes it beyond, OK.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 02:04:56

  133. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Wettstein the issue is beyond this one permit, it’s about water taking

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 02:06:02

  134. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie suggests a tag that adds Downer’s motion could be taken further. Best of both worlds?

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 02:07:56

  135. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gibson says it’s a good motion, but it assumes that the industry contribution to blue box program insufficient. Doesn’t have that data.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 02:08:38

  136. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    DCAO Stewart refers to a line in the report that already says what Downer’s trying to get it, may want to emphasize it more though.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 02:11:27

  137. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Downer says her motion speaks to doing better. 30% presently goes to landfills.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 02:13:05

  138. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Salisbury says he was blown away by how many Nestle bottles ended up in the solid waste stream. That and Tim Hortons cups.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 02:15:26

  139. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Issue of this product in our recycling stream is profound, says Salisbury. Otherwise, he wouldn’t support.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 02:16:01

  140. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie says he’s going to support this measure, and element of the deeper issue he says.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 02:16:41

  141. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie says in ’09 Nestle offered to pay for public recycling – bins, promo – in PQ saw increase from 70 to 85, but #Guelph didn’t accept.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 02:17:44

  142. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie’s not sure what happened to that program.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 02:18:31

  143. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Downer amendment passes. Only MacKinnon and Wettstein vote against.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 02:18:52

  144. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Billings points out that Guelph itself is a large water user, asks staff to add something about municipalities saying exempt from new fees.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 02:19:42

  145. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    DCAO Stewart not sure there’s a need for it. Point #2 meant for large water users not municipalities. Thinks its clear already

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 02:21:01

  146. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “large water users, excluding municipalities” the amendment. Passes 12-0

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 02:22:01

  147. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie asks about Whiteley presentation about regard for economic development and sustainability balance.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 02:22:51

  148. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Stewart says its about choosing words wisely.
    “That’s all I need,” says Guthrie.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 02:23:26

  149. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Salisbury/Allt move “a balance between economic opportunities and environmental sustainability” change balance to “regard for both”

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 02:24:10

  150. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Wettstein says it takes balance out of the equation. Is going with staff on this.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 02:24:29

  151. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Amendment fails: Allt, Bell, Downer, Gordon, Guthrie, Salisbury vote in favour.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 02:25:14

  152. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    So back to the final vote. All eight now recommendations.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 02:25:36

  153. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gibson glad to move away from value judgment, and making decisions based on evidence.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 02:26:33

  154. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Allt thanks Gordon for stewarding this through, and doing this in best interest of community, country and world.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 02:29:05

  155. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie says this council and staff take water issues seriously. There were tense moments, but he hopes it doesn’t go unnoticed the outreach

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 02:30:17

  156. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie also glad council didn’t fast track the issue, and waited for the staff report.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 02:30:42

  157. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie wants ppl feeling ostracized to know they’re comments were heard.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 02:31:25

  158. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie says these issues would have come forward anyway. There’s a process, and important to know this will happen again.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 02:32:20

  159. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie looking for a unanimous vote.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 02:32:33

  160. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    The vote is unanimous!

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 02:32:54

  161. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    75 Dublin up next. 32 delegations. Break till 9:45!

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 02:33:28

  162. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Back to business.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 02:46:19

  163. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    First up, presentation from Stacey Laughlin, Senior Policy Planner

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 02:47:07

  164. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Laughlin is recapping the story so far.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 02:48:04

  165. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Staff is recommending that the five-story plan be turned down and the four-story plan move forward.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 02:50:33

  166. Staff says this design should reduce the shadow impact. Many delegates tonight will disagree. https://t.co/QE10ORki4R

    Staff says this design should reduce the shadow impact. Many delegates tonight will disagree. pic.twitter.com/QE10ORki4R
    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    ·

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 02:55:23

  167. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “The minimal shadow impact is not adverse” says staff.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 02:58:04

  168. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    So you can plan your night, there’s still 1 staff speech after this, then the delegates. If all 32 speak at 5 min ea. We’re here till 1am.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 02:59:28

  169. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    And that’s before council debate…

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 02:59:45

  170. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    All these examples staff are giving are admittedly not accurate, merely meant as a representation.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 03:00:41

  171. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    @kylemackie Their using St Agnes and the north elevations as comparison.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 03:03:14

  172. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    MacKinnon asking if Heritage has provided any feedback since this new report was gathered.
    Laughlin: Nope, wasn’t time.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 03:07:54

  173. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Downer asks if any concern about shadow impacts on St Agnes
    Staff: Nope, St Agnes not part of heritage concern, Basilica was looked at

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 03:09:04

  174. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    No 2nd staff presentation, so we’re off to delegations.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 03:09:17

  175. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie looking at simple math. We’re looking at 12:30, and while they would never say don’t speak, he does like the word ditto.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 03:11:03

  176. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Claudia Durbin and friend Elizabeth are the 1st delegation. They’re Central students in Grade 6.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 03:12:38

  177. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    They don’t council to hurt their eduction (aw) the development means more cars on road, more traffic, more distractions.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 03:13:14

  178. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Also concerned about 75 Dublin pulling a Mr Burns. They’ve got solar panels on their school.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 03:13:57

  179. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie encourages the girls to come to council anytime, and now they’re free to go to bed.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 03:14:49

  180. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Kathryn Folkl up next.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 03:15:01

  181. Pulling a Mr. Burns. https://t.co/XTFz4ZEgVB

    Pulling a Mr. Burns. pic.twitter.com/XTFz4ZEgVB
    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    ·

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 03:16:13

  182. Artists conception of 5 storeys https://t.co/0ZcbVTWzdV

    Artists conception of 5 storeys pic.twitter.com/0ZcbVTWzdV
    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    ·

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 03:17:00

  183. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Folkl now playing this video for council:  http://guelphpolitico.blogspot.ca/2016/11/school-kids-star-in-video-protest.html …

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 03:18:49

  184. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Folkl is getting emotional finishing her presentation. Asks council to consider land swap for more green space.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 03:21:06

  185. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie asks again to keep things respectful.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 03:21:30

  186. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Next up is Tom Lammer, the developer.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 03:21:56

  187. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “Our design and engineering team have listened carefully to the concerns” about the project, says Lammer.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 03:22:32

  188. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Lammer says his project will increase city revenue from $3K to $100K. They will never reach consensus on design.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 03:23:27

  189. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    The project though is viable, the question is will council proceed?

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 03:23:47

  190. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “Suggestions that pockets are being lined” or that upper levels of gov are being naive are false, says Lammer

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 03:24:43

  191. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Without fifth floor, the affordable aspect of the project will not be viable, he adds.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 03:25:07

  192. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “I’m not coming into this neighbourhood, I already live there,” says Lammer, who adds his track record speaks for itself.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 03:26:01

  193. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Billings asks for comment on the process of affordable housing.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 03:27:34

  194. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    There’s a 20 year minimum and a 5 year phase out. The period of affordability could be longer.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 03:27:59

  195. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Billings gets Lammer to be clear: 4 storeys means no affordable housing.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 03:29:53

  196. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Allt gets clarity that Lammer isn’t looking for a 4 storey tower w/o affordable housing, wants the 5 story with

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 03:33:15

  197. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Lammer says this is a rare project for him to do mixed use, usually one of the other.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 03:33:57

  198. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Bell phrases the fifth storey as a “partial” storey.
    Lammer says he’s not intending to hold that hostage.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 03:34:44

  199. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Van Hellemond asks how many units on 5th storey. 5600 sq feet sellable space available, haven’t done plating yet.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 03:36:00

  200. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Next up, Owen Scott with the Heritage Impact Assessment and the Visual Impact.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 03:37:29

  201. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    There’s a serious of potentially adverse heritage impacts, says Scott.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 03:38:48

  202. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    James Fryett up next, he will also talk to the shadow analysis.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 03:44:29

  203. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Shadow analysis looks are present shadows, plus topographical and surveying information, and architectural 3D model. Fryett says its correct

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 03:45:33

  204. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    The equinox will have 5% impact Fryett says. Points out that in December, it’s usually overcast anyway.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 03:49:24

  205. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Motion to go past 11 passed.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 03:50:23

  206. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Next up is Astrid Clos, the planning consultant.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 03:50:44

  207. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Clos re-vistiing the city’s own words about affordable housing. Seniors most in need, and City has shortfall of single-bedroom units.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 03:52:02

  208. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Clos now going over all the ways the development has addressed city concerns and standards.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 03:55:08

  209. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Clos’ opinion is that the development she’s speaking in favour of meets all the city’s tests.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 03:55:45

  210. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Scott Snider is next.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 03:57:06

  211. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Snider is a lawyer, council to Ryker Holdings. Everyone supports afford. housing in principal, the only way to get more is approve it

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 03:58:08

  212. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    The only person who doesn’t have a voice here are the seniors and poor who will live here, says Snider.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 03:58:45

  213. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Snider says that council can be that voice, but staff put no wait into the idea that this is 20 affordable units.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 03:59:33

  214. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Snider isn’t here to say “affordable housing at any cost”, but he’s saying there can’t be no cost either. Is it worth it?

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 04:00:37

  215. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    It’s been 4 storeys for over 20 years, says Snider of plans for that site.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 04:01:19

  216. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Patricia Kandel is the next speaker. A senior and retired physician concerned about seniors being moved onto Catholic Hill.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 04:03:20

  217. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Accessibility and equity for seniors the concern. All 4 streets to it up a hill. Difficult for seniors in any season.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 04:04:01

  218. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Also, no bus service to the top of the hill.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 04:04:12

  219. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Insufficient parking for service people, medical professionals, delivery people, and visitors.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 04:04:46

  220. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Kandel says that low-income seniors will become prisoners in their own home once mobility becomes an issue.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 04:07:01

  221. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    MacKinnon asks Kandel which matters more: saving $200/month with 75 Dublin’s issues, or not?

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 04:11:16

  222. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Kandel says if public money’s going to be spent on a project, they should have a say in it. But yes, $200/month means a great deal.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 04:11:57

  223. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Now the UGDSB’s lawyer Alan Heisey.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 04:12:48

  224. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    My clients have taken a strong position, says Heisey. There’s no caveat for a 4-storey building to be constructed there.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 04:15:11

  225. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Heisey says the official plan allows for a minimum of two storeys, but we’ve just been talking about 4 storeys.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 04:15:51

  226. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Heisey says a decision shouldn’t be made without more info on 2 storeys. Delay a decision till feedback on 2 and 3 storeys received.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 04:17:31

  227. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    The trick is that the reason the pressure’s on here is because there’s moneys from the feds and province & construction needs to start now

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 04:18:49

  228. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Brian Campbell says that he wishes some of the arguments previously brought to council could be heard again.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 04:19:28

  229. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Ian Flett of the Old Resident’s Committee, also favours deferring the decisions and follow the policies already passed.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 04:20:12

  230. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    FYI: About 20 speakers left.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 04:20:32

  231. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Flett says their something wrong with the process that we’re making this decision at 11:30 at night.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 04:21:27

  232. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Old City Resident’s Committee echoes UGDSB in deferring this decision.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 04:23:16

  233. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Wettstein points out that a deferral kills the affordable housing aspect. Flett says this is a very unusual way to go about a decision

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 04:24:07

  234. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Allt asks who are the Old City Resident’s Committee?

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 04:25:08

  235. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Parents of Central High, plus area of residents. Reinvigorated after dormancy b/c of this issue.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 04:25:26

  236. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Susan Radcliffe is up next.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 04:25:51

  237. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Radcliffe says she is a senior, she’s on a fixed income, and this is her voice.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 04:26:43

  238. Radcliffe message in one picture: https://t.co/9LyU2IMgd2

    Radcliffe message in one picture: pic.twitter.com/9LyU2IMgd2
    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    ·

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 04:27:48

  239. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    20 apartments for 20 years versus children and grandchildren’s future, says Radcliffe.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 04:28:39

  240. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Next up Anne Gajerski-Cauley of Community Car Share.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 04:32:51

  241. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gajerski-Cauley says there’s something sacred about the space on Catholic Hill.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 04:33:48

  242. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Neighbours “try not to challenge the Basilica’s majesty, says Gajerski-Cauley.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 04:34:43

  243. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gajerski-Cauley says the developer has a similar site on Wyndham S they could use, next door to another condo.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 04:36:01

  244. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gajerski-Cauley says city’s being asked to violate rules so a developer doesn’t have to pay charges.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 04:37:01

  245. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “You are not responsible to make sure someone gets a return on his investment,” concludes Gajerski-Cauley

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 04:38:07

  246. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Elbert van Donkersoed is up next. His home with his wife on Dublin was built in 1847. They’re against.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 04:39:12

  247. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “It is not built beautifully,” adds van Donkersgoed.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 04:40:29

  248. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Patrick Martin is now at bat. Does’t think the current proposal is a step in the right direction though he supports more affordable housing

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 04:45:19

  249. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Martin says the benefits of the affordable units not = to the loss of the view on Catholic Hill.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 04:48:47

  250. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Chris Findlay says he has the temptation to say ditto, but has a couple of things to say.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 04:49:43

  251. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    This is the pinacle, this is the height of Guelph, Findlay says, he’s had a # of close calls.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 04:50:32

  252. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    There needs to be some safety issues addressed on that corner, says Findlay.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 04:51:41

  253. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie asks a motion to go past 12 am. Salisbury wonders about options though.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 04:52:37

  254. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie says there’s 15 ppl left. Says he’s up till 4 am every night anyways.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 04:53:19

  255. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Only 7 ppl voted in favour of motion to stay past 12 am. That means end of the meeting.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 04:54:13

  256. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    But wait, conference with the clerk!

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 04:54:23

  257. https://t.co/Qiyqc8VDgb

    pic.twitter.com/Qiyqc8VDgb
    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    ·

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 04:57:13

  258. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie: Having a moment of consideration, but someone can move to suspend procedural bylaws. Then there can be a revote.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 04:58:17

  259. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Basically this is a motion to go back in time.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 04:59:22

  260. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    All but Bell, Allt and Salisbury vote in favour to go back in time.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 05:00:12

  261. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Vote is 9 to 3 to continue past 12 am. Guthrie needs to take a break to confer with staff.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 05:00:47

  262. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    A lot of disgruntlement about what just happened with procedure.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 05:04:15

  263. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Back to business as unusual…

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 05:11:46

  264. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie says there is legitimate concern about making decisions late at night.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 05:12:34

  265. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie is suggesting, on Salisbury recommendation, we finish the delegations, call a recess, then at November 30 meet…

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 05:13:28

  266. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    …Council will reconvene at 4 pm for debate before #GuelphBudget meeting at 6 pm.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 05:14:16

  267. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie says its the best compromise right now.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 05:14:32

  268. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “It just seems to work.” says Guthrie.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 05:15:35

  269. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    No objections from council, so that’s how it’s going to be.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 05:15:53

  270. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Now we’ll hear from Luke Weiler.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 05:16:17

  271. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Weiler is against the project: bad policy, bad for the kids, bad precedent, etc.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 05:16:58

  272. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    What are we talking with affordable housing, Weiler asks.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 05:17:44

  273. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Weiler says this is a 20% “lop off” of an “arbitrary” price set by the CMHA. Plus, there’s no rent control here.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 05:18:45

  274. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Weiler says look how fast the Tricar units flew off the shelf. These are hot properties. Will these still be affordable after 20 years?

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 05:19:53

  275. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Next up is Elizabeth McRae. She wonders how council expected to get through this huge agenda. She’s not alone.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 05:21:50

  276. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    McRae strongly supports affordable housing, but not 75 Dublin.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 05:23:02

  277. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Seniors tend to develop physical limitations, she says. “Why are we contemplating spending $3M on Guelph’s highest hill?”

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 05:23:47

  278. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Catherine Killen now up, speaking to compatibility of the development with the heritage needs.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 05:25:43

  279. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Central High was identified as a “sensitive area”, the playground is in a 7-storey shadow considering elevation.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 05:26:41

  280. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Killen wants the property removed from the fast track, and proposals for the land to be reconsidered.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 05:28:48

  281. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Lin Grist of @gwpoverty is next up. “I’m so cheerful, and I’m a senior” she joked.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 05:29:22

  282. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Grist wants to speak to the financial concerns. Those most in need are already out of the running.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 05:30:54

  283. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    The developer is getting money from the public purse, says Grist, but they’ll make a killing when the AH provisions expire.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 05:32:35

  284. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Grist asks council if this was their own money, would they invest it in a project like this?

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 05:35:40

  285. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Stephen Jones from Wellington Guelph Housing Committee is now up.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 05:36:14

  286. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    He decided to abandon his papers, and Cdn Metal Health supports this project in principle.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 05:37:00

  287. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Jones hopes that council thinks about the human cost and not just the sight line and the dollar.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 05:39:54

  288. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Jane Londerville, also of Wellington Guelph Housing Committee. She’s also in favour. She’s in the demographic being targeted.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 05:40:57

  289. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Londerville says there are seniors in the neighbourhood that may want to downsize and stay local. 75 Dublin = ideal.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 05:41:31

  290. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Landerville notes that the money doesn’t “stay in our pocket” if the project doesn’t move forward, it goes elsewhere.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 05:43:38

  291. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Eric Lyon now talking. He’s the 10th to last speaker.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 05:44:00

  292. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Lyon is against the location, in favour of the development. Suggests instead a park at 75 Dublin called “John Lammer Park”

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 05:44:40

  293. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Melissa Dean now is speaking to her disappointment in this process. An “inappropriate use of the most prominent real estate in the City”

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 05:46:06

  294. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Dublin Street has become a “textbook” case of how not to do development, says Dean.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 05:46:38

  295. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “It feels so wrong to me on so many levels,” Dead says. The developer was originally looking at luxury condos. (per Trib interview)

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 05:48:52

  296. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “An affordable housing trojan horse, and it worked” Dean calls it.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 05:49:12

  297. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Dean asks if it would be prudent for the city to buy such an important plot of land?

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 05:51:35

  298. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Jennifer Jupp spoke to council a month ago about construction noise and how worried she was about the kids. Still worried.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 05:53:01

  299. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    20 units for 20 years, that’s really what this is hinging on, Jupp says. She wants to get behind it, but the building is too big.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 05:58:29

  300. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Twitter just had a brain fart, so I’ve missed a couple of things. Jupp’s point 20 units vs 1000s of kids.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 05:59:07

  301. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Mervyn Horgan speaking now. Supports affordable housing in principle and practice, but….

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 05:59:46

  302. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    …this is not the right kind of site for the density that the developer wants. Also, the UGDSB came out against it.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 06:00:45

  303. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Horgan asks council to visit the school before they vote. Stand in the school yard, and cross the intersection at Cork/Dublin.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 06:02:22

  304. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    John Parkyn up next meaning we’re now in the final five.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 06:03:51

  305. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “Poppycock” Parkyn reaction to developers assertion that there’s no negative effect on heritage.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 06:07:48

  306. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Parker shows an artist rendering of 3 storey building, and it still mostly masks the Basilica.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 06:09:33

  307. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Now up is former city councillor Lise Burcher. She doesn’t envy the decision.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 06:10:05

  308. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Burcher says that Guelph did the hard work in approaching planning years ago.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 06:10:54

  309. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Burcher: Downtown 2nd plan was well-intentioned, well thought out. Build a successful foundation of what’s to be expected.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 06:13:08

  310. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “The OMB is not our friend,” says Burcher.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 06:13:57

  311. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Christine Main is now up, third to last speaker tonight. She’s a mother of four, that chose Guelph, and the Sunny Acres ‘hood to settle in

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 06:15:48

  312. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Building this “monstrosity” is counter productive, says Main.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 06:16:19

  313. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Main says council didn’t hesitate to do the right thing with Nestle, why not here?

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 06:18:18

  314. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Paul Pinarello says he wanted to live in Guelph because he didn’t want to live in Mississauga.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 06:19:37

  315. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Pinnarello says this will change Guelph for generations and he’s unsure if council gets that.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 06:20:06

  316. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Mary Tivy of Heritage Guelph is the final speaker.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 06:20:21

  317. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Tivy says that Heritage was not informed about staff’s recommendations, which I believe was mentioned earlier.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 06:21:03

  318. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Heritage Guelph is planning on naming Catholic Hill a heritage landscape under part 4 of Ont. Heritage Act.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 06:21:39

  319. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    They also don’t support the staff report.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 06:21:52

  320. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Incomplete information, Tivy says, concerning shadows and lighting impact.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 06:22:28

  321. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie asked if the vote was unanimous.
    It was 6-1.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 06:23:17

  322. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie asked if the vote was unanimous.
    It was 6-1.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 06:23:17

  323. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    That’s it for delegations. Guthrie invites council to send Qs to staff through email, in-person.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 06:23:56

  324. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie asks Salisbury to make motion for council to establish Wednesday at 4 pm for the continuation of this meeting. Allt 2nds

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 06:24:53

  325. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Passes unanimously.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 06:25:09

  326. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Council takes out 3rd bylaw which pertains to Dublin St, Salisbury moves the rest of the bylaw changes.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 06:26:08

  327. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Bylaws pass 11-1. Bell against.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 06:26:33

  328. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Mayor announces he has a town hall later today at West End Rec Centre at 7 pm.

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 06:26:56

  329. Council moves to recess. https://t.co/m49LD81k5m

    Council moves to recess. pic.twitter.com/m49LD81k5m
    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    ·

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 06:27:26

  330. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Politico will be live blogging at least the #GuelphBudget meet Wednesday. Keep you posted about the 4 pm meet. Goodnight!

    Tue, Nov 29 2016 06:28:07

 

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