LIVE BLOG: Special Committee of the Whole on Water Taking

Published on by Adam A. Donaldson

Water, water everywhere, but who has the right to take it? This is the questions that the committee, and about 37 delegations, will try and answer in this special meeting. You can click here for the amended agenda from City Hall, and you can click here to read Politico’s preview of today’s meeting. For the complete blow-by-blow of today’s committee meeting, you can follow me on Twitter, or follow along below via Storify.

Click here for the live blog from the main committee-of-the-whole meeting.

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Adam A. Donaldson
Tue, Nov 08 2016 05:14:46

Special Committee-of-the-Whole – November 7, 2016

Live blog from the meeting on water taking starta at 7 pm

  1. CFifeKW

    Catherine Fife@CFifeKW
    Thinking of @cityofguelph Council mtg as community members Rally 4 Water & support @thatjamesgordon‘s motion #onpoli  https://www.thestar.com/business/2016/10/27/ontario-needs-better-data-on-its-groundwater-supply-says-environmental-watchdog.html …

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    Mon, Nov 07 2016 23:07:11

  2. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gordon and Allt both promise a long night ahead… the meeting starts in 40 minutes.

    Mon, Nov 07 2016 23:20:05

  3. 25 minutes till meeting https://t.co/4rjdVfXTNh

    25 minutes till meeting pic.twitter.com/4rjdVfXTNh
    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
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    Mon, Nov 07 2016 23:34:40

  4. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Want to read the letter Puslinch’s mayor sent to #Guelph city council on water taking?  http://guelphpolitico.blogspot.ca/2016/11/the-puslinch-mayor-says-what.html …

    Mon, Nov 07 2016 23:38:02

  5. jonbeharry

    Jon Beharry@jonbeharry
    Nestle pushing concerned Guelph citizens out of council chambers.  https://twitter.com/adamadonaldson/status/795771481275908096 …

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    Mon, Nov 07 2016 23:47:51

  6. @jonbeharry Perhaps he'll explain himself... https://t.co/nIW81pQ9OI

    @jonbeharry Perhaps he’ll explain himself… pic.twitter.com/nIW81pQ9OI
    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
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    Mon, Nov 07 2016 23:48:35

  7. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Just heard from one disgruntled person that #Nestle “stacked” the gallery with their people. Not pleased.

    Mon, Nov 07 2016 23:52:53

  8. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    And a sudden hush fell over the hall…

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 00:00:13

  9. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Regrets from Hofland, and MacKinnon. Salisbury will arriving shortly.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 00:00:38

  10. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Bell will chair this meeting as it falls under Infrastructure, Development and Enterprise. Bell turns it back over to Guthrie though

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 00:01:22

  11. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie asks people to make room for people who are delegating tonight.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 00:02:00

  12. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    About 4 empty spots created…

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 00:02:55

  13. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Okay, we’re about to kick off with staff reports. “It will be good, I promise you,” says Guthrie.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 00:05:36

  14. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Barbara Swartzentruber, Executive Director, Policy, Intergovernmental Relations and Open Government begins…

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 00:06:03

  15. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Since this last came before council, the Province of Ontario announced a moratorium of PTTW and other new restrictions.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 00:07:03

  16. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    PTTW = Permit to Take Water.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 00:07:17

  17. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Final council resolution will come forward on November 28. Ppl will also have a chance to delegate at that meeting.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 00:08:51

  18. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Staff will work with MOECC to facilitate an in-person, open public consultation, consider comments made during November 7 delegations, and..

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 00:11:01

  19. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    …in preparation for a Council resolution for on November 28 provide the ministry with a videotaped recording of the November 7 delegations

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 00:11:13

  20. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Allt asks for clarity on the different processes. Can comment on changes to PTTW now, not the specific Aberfoyle PTTW

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 00:12:17

  21. Motion to accept staff recommendation passes 10-0 https://t.co/r4sQpg5Hgm

    Motion to accept staff recommendation passes 10-0 pic.twitter.com/r4sQpg5Hgm
    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
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    Tue, Nov 08 2016 00:15:19

  22. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Peter Busatto, GM of Environmental Services intros the technical report on PTTW to be delivered by Dave Belanger, Water Supply Program Mngr

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 00:16:34

  23. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    The report is intended to provide preliminary comments and background information.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 00:17:22

  24. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Nestle has a long list of conditions, more significant than some industrial sources says Belanger.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 00:19:07

  25. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Once the Environmental Review is posted, staff will have more detailed commentary.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 00:19:50

  26. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Presently, Nestle draws 3.6 million L / day, 365 days per year. They’re looking for a 10 year renewal.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 00:20:35

  27. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    the water taking is stable, says MOECC. The monitoring methods used by Nestle the same as the City’s says Belanger.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 00:21:31

  28. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    #Guelph comments on water taking consistent over last decade, preference that water taking be reserved for municipal use.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 00:22:55

  29. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Having said that #Guelph‘s not opposed to the renewal b/c it doesn’t interfere with *current* water taking.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 00:23:22

  30. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guelph is fortunate b/c we have very good information on what our water supply looks like says Belanger.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 00:28:54

  31. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “It’s not just how much you need now, it’s how much you need in the future,” says Belanger.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 00:29:54

  32. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    The Water Strategy Master Plan is still draft, hopes to be complete soon.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 00:30:14

  33. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Significant stress on the model, may not be able to provide municipal water supply if hit w/ 10 yr drought in 2038.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 00:31:19

  34. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Water services looks at years, and we have a “deep, confined bedrock aquifer” able to sustain dry months, but impact felt after 2-3 years.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 00:33:16

  35. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    First plank of Water Supply Master Plan is conservation.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 00:34:59

  36. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    In summary: Nestle application delayed, but we need better discussion about water resource management anyway.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 00:36:49

  37. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gibson asks about identifying new water resources. The well at the south end is far down on the list of priorities. A # of projects b4 that

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 00:40:02

  38. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    City also looking at bringing old wells back on line in order to create more available water.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 00:40:29

  39. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Billings asks if the model for 2038 incl all the water strategy numbers. The answer: yes.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 00:42:29

  40. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Allt gets clarity that its up to the province to change policy on water taking even though Guelph is “ground zero” for the debate.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 00:45:50

  41. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    If you read btwn the lines, the MOE is staring to ask how do we set priorities in water taking, says Belanger.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 00:46:36

  42. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gordon mention’s Nestle’s slogan “Water you can trust,” is there something wrong with our water?

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 00:50:48

  43. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    There’s “rigorous legislation” on the standards that city’s have to meet in order to ensure quality water, says Peter Busatto

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 00:52:07

  44. @Ward1Guelph asks good question about water levels at Guelph Lake - very low https://t.co/JenbnLiiL6

    @Ward1Guelph asks good question about water levels at Guelph Lake – very low pic.twitter.com/JenbnLiiL6
    Cathy Downer@CathyDowner

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    Tue, Nov 08 2016 00:55:12

  45. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “Last on my list is Cllr Piper,” says Guthrie. Stand by delegates, you’re up next…

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 00:57:12

  46. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Three delegations before voting for this recommendation takes place. First Martin Keller of @grandriverca

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 00:59:38

  47. PhilAlltWard3

    Phil Allt@PhilAlltWard3
    .@cityofguelph .@adamadonaldson .@thatjamesgordon proud of Guelph tonight – engaged in future thinking re: water supply.@wwaterwatchers

    ·

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 00:59:58

  48. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie warns that he’ll be sticking to the 5 minute time frame per delegate.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 01:00:14

  49. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Source protection: making sure we keep present and future water resources safe from contamination.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 01:01:38

  50. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Keller says that water resources need to be managed more effectively. Taking lead role in water protection programs.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 01:04:42

  51. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Only a couple of Qs for Keller and GRCA.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 01:06:59

  52. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    No doubt, but there are some that smell a conspiracy….  https://twitter.com/GuelphMatters/status/795794807914450944 …

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 01:07:55

  53. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Next up Patrick Sheridan.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 01:08:11

  54. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “As some people in Guelph know, Nestle is the embodiment of evil.” Here we go…

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 01:09:36

  55. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Sheridan says we’re lucky in Guelph living over a “drinking water generating machine.”

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 01:10:01

  56. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Sheridan making the argument that water bottling is a small percentage of water use.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 01:10:49

  57. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Two biggest risks is volume and quality, says Sheridan.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 01:11:55

  58. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Nestle is not a threat in the short term, Sheridan says, wants council to look broadly at the matter.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 01:12:21

  59. Here's a bar graph Sheridan created. https://t.co/wGXsGCDlj0

    Here’s a bar graph Sheridan created. pic.twitter.com/wGXsGCDlj0
    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
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    Tue, Nov 08 2016 01:14:13

  60. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Motion to receive the technical report passes 11-0

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 01:15:06

  61. Karen Del Vecchio has a cast of kids with her. https://t.co/n5JMqctJ26

    Karen Del Vecchio has a cast of kids with her. pic.twitter.com/n5JMqctJ26
    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
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    Tue, Nov 08 2016 01:16:20

  62. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie asks the crowd to exercise decorum and respect one and others.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 01:16:50

  63. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “Water is good in nature but not a plastic bottle,” one little girl says.
    “We need unbolted water to live,” says Izzy.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 01:19:17

  64. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    DelVecchio says that these kids understand good water stewardship: shutting off tap when brushing teeth, their own water bottles, etc.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 01:20:11

  65. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    .@MikeSchreiner is up next to delegate.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 01:21:36

  66. Kids present on Water and Guelph .@adamadonaldson .@wwaterwatchers .@thatjamesgordon – it’s their future they told us. pic.twitter.com/FZPY0TWeP1
    Phil Allt@PhilAlltWard3

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    Tue, Nov 08 2016 01:21:41

  67. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “I don’t have any cute drawings to share with you,” says Schreiner.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 01:21:56

  68. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “I hope this council seeks a unanimous vote,” says Schreiner. “I think that’s important.”

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 01:22:47

  69. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Sterner says he believes in the precautionary principle, Guelph residents quite knowledgable about water.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 01:23:39

  70. This is what it's all about. #waterislife #futuregenerations #publictrust #tapwater https://t.co/29RPJs1pUp

    This is what it’s all about. #waterislife #futuregenerations #publictrust #tapwater pic.twitter.com/29RPJs1pUp
    Leanne Piper Ward 5@ward5guelph

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    Tue, Nov 08 2016 01:24:02

  71. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Schreiner says he’s collected over 2000 postcards of support on protecting water.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 01:24:05

  72. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Schreiner says he things industrial and commercial water takers need to pay their fair share too.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 01:26:24

  73. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gibson asks if evidence and science should govern the process, and Schreiner agrees, added that principle should play a role.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 01:27:49

  74. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Allt gets clarity from Schreiner about what the province should do, whether they should just raise rates.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 01:29:00

  75. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Schreiner doesn’t want to turn water into a “cash cow” but we only bring in 1-2% of the cost as well.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 01:29:33

  76. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Taxpayers also on the hook for waste disposal. Province needs to also address packaging says Schreiner.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 01:31:20

  77. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Schreiner says he believes priority access should for communities.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 01:33:10

  78. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gordon: So far the science looks like we are sustainable, but community feels like its a principled matter.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 01:34:08

  79. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gordon: Who wins: science or principle?
    Schreiner: Why not both? Good science that’s well funded should lead.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 01:34:53

  80. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Maureen Blackwood and David Cadogan-Blackwood up next.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 01:35:47

  81. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    It’s two more young kids. “We need to be responsible about how much water we take and not be so greedy,: says David

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 01:36:48

  82. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “I also think we should have another skate park,” David adds.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 01:37:46

  83. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Maureen says she’d like to see #Guelph follow San Francisco’s lead and ban bottled water.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 01:40:51

  84. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “It’s unrcontionable that First Nations community don’t have water while companies can bottle it and re-sell it,” Blackwood says

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 01:42:14

  85. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Would also like City to look at ays to reduce water bottle consumption.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 01:42:48

  86. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Shayne Ward up next.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 01:44:23

  87. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Ward, founder and director of Plastic Free Guelph, recognizes the local and surround First Nations communities.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 01:45:18

  88. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    49 Billion single use plastic bottles per year in global consumption says Ward.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 01:46:14

  89. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Plastic photdegrades and ends up in the food chain, says Ward. “Bon appetite, I think not,” he says.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 01:47:37

  90. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guelph tap water brought to your tap for a fraciton of a penny per litre, Ward observes.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 01:48:19

  91. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Ward reminds Mayor and council that this time last year they endorsed Guelph becoming a Blue-dot community.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 01:49:27

  92. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Becoming a plastic society, “We’re finding it easier to pack it up and ship it,” Ward said.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 01:51:38

  93. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “Not only are we having unsustainable water taking in #Guelph, we’re endangering ecosystems because we find plastic bottles more convenient”

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 01:54:25

  94. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Next up, @MikeNagyNine of @wwaterwatchers.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 01:55:06

  95. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    nagy congratulates city for water preservation efforts, including conserving by stopping leaks.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 01:56:14

  96. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    All bets are off now, Nagy says.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 01:56:39

  97. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    #Guelph is a hotspot for water taking, says Nagy. We want to be a part of an innovative, modern economy.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 01:59:21

  98. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Nagy calls this a “conservative, cautious” motion.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 01:59:38

  99. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “Low hanging carbon fruit,” Nagy on bottled water.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 02:01:44

  100. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Allt asks about WWW’s concern about water taking and population growth.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 02:04:38

  101. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Places to Grow will eventually come into conflict with Nestle’s water taking, says Nagy.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 02:05:24

  102. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    If there’s any water at the end of the water budget process then we can talk about other uses. Need to stop paving over water recharge too.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 02:06:27

  103. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    All places should have anatural growth ceiling, says Nagy. Milton, with pipeline to L. Ontario, has been a disaster, Nagy says.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 02:07:29

  104. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    100s of millions going to a pipeline will have big impact on taxes, Nagy says.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 02:08:05

  105. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gibson says he’s waiting to hear from WWW on Guelph’s frivolous uses of water. Private pools, splash pads, etc.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 02:09:39

  106. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “That’s a very broad, leading and misledangi question,” says Nagy. WWW has been against using clean water for lawns.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 02:10:50

  107. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gibson asks if Nagy is in favour of shutting down water bottlers in the city. Nagy says he’s not aware of any.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 02:11:39

  108. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Rob Case, also of @wwaterwatchers, is up next.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 02:12:08

  109. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Case asks if council is willing to let Guelph cede its reputation as an environmental leader on this issues.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 02:17:23

  110. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Last delegate from @wwaterwatchers Tamara Kohl. She’s representing the youth of the community.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 02:18:11

  111. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Water bottling industry has a cumulative effect on you, says Kohl.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 02:19:55

  112. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie says there’s about 24 more delegates (2 more hours). But for now, it’s break time.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 02:21:32

  113. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Back from break. Maddy Ford, who has school in the morning, is up next.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 02:33:08

  114. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Maddy can’t vote yet, but she’s talking at city council.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 02:33:22

  115. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Maddy Ford says that water, like air, should be free.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 02:34:25

  116. 17 and civic minded - Maddie speaks on water for youth .@cityofguelph .@adamadonaldson @thatjamesgordon https://t.co/gnsGiuMXQe

    17 and civic minded – Maddie speaks on water for youth .@cityofguelph .@adamadonaldson @thatjamesgordon pic.twitter.com/gnsGiuMXQe
    Phil Allt@PhilAlltWard3

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    Tue, Nov 08 2016 02:34:38

  117. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Maddy says that while people were being fined for watering their lawns this summer, Nestle was still pulling water.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 02:35:17

  118. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “If we don’t take action now, we’ll be back here asking why we didn’t stop it before it gets worse?” – Maddy Ford.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 02:36:11

  119. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    No Qs for Maddy. Next us is Debbie Moore and Andreanne Simard of Nestle.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 02:37:09

  120. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Debbie Moore is president of Nestle Waters Canada, proud #Guelph resident.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 02:37:35

  121. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “We unconditionally share your passion for water and its sustainability,” says Moore.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 02:38:11

  122. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Water is a health soft drink alternative, Moore says, also a big asset in times of crisis.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 02:38:48

  123. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “We all agree water sustainability is a priority.” -Moore

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 02:39:30

  124. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “Community comes first, that’s why we’re uncompromising in our principles,” says Moore.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 02:40:09

  125. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Nestle donated over 100K bottles of water this year to local charities, Guelph General Hospital.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 02:41:07

  126. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “This is the type of company I’m extremely proud to lead,” says Moore.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 02:41:45

  127. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Nestle full supports moratorium, Moore says, and have implemented many new standards later adapted by government.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 02:42:41

  128. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Now Dr Andreanne Simard, head of natural resources for Nestle.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 02:44:17

  129. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Nestle part of GRCA’s low water response team.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 02:44:40

  130. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Simard asks council to look at the big picture and “keep things in perspective.”

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 02:45:19

  131. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    No incident where Nestle operations has affected a private well owner says Simard.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 02:46:25

  132. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Simard says they’ve been slowly increasing their takings, but they still take less than they’re allowed to. Only withdraw 840mil L/year.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 02:47:59

  133. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “Community always comes first,” says Simard.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 02:49:04

  134. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Moore says Nestle fully supports the moratorium. “We see this as a welcome addition […] beyond just the issue of bottled water.”

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 02:51:40

  135. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Nestle bottles are 100% recyclable plastic says Moore, in fact they’ve reduced the amount of plastic in the bottles.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 02:52:14

  136. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Bell: Where does water end up?
    Moore: 100% stays in Eastern Canada, mostly ON and PQ

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 02:53:54

  137. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Bell: Is the reason Nestle is in Guelph is because our water really tastes good?

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 02:54:23

  138. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Moore: This is not frivolous use, this is healthy hydration.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 02:54:42

  139. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Moore: “There’s a role of tap water, and there’s a role for bottled water.”

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 02:55:08

  140. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Moore: “There’s a role of tap water, and there’s a role for bottled water.”

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 02:55:08

  141. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Is Nestle going to sell Middlebrook well to the city and recoup cost, asks Salisbury.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 02:59:55

  142. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Moore says they confered with Centre-Wellington and they said they had no interest in Middlebrook well.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 03:00:34

  143. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “We were very, very surprised,” says Moore when they found out that Centre-Wellington had bid.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 03:01:17

  144. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Moore says Nestle was very transparent about what they wanted to do with the well.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 03:01:47

  145. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Jennifer Nikolasevic, Nestle employee, to talk about how it feels for them during recent controversy.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 03:03:09

  146. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    It’s become difficult for Nestle workers and families to not feel excluded or bullied says Nikolasevic.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 03:03:49

  147. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “Wow people around here really hate you,” “You’re a water sealer” things that Nikolasevic has heard.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 03:04:37

  148. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “I apologize for someone who hates you,” says Allt, appreciates that Nestle employees are just paying the bills.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 03:06:45

  149. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Next up, Jim Goetz, President of the Cdn Beverage Association. “The non-alcoholic beverage refreshment centre”

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 03:07:31

  150. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Residents left with the impression that water-taking for bottled water responsible for scarcity.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 03:08:16

  151. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    It’s 1/1000th of a per cent, says Geotz.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 03:08:32

  152. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    91% of ppl drink tap water at home and bottle on the go, says Goetz.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 03:10:13

  153. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Recovery rate for plastic containers was over 70% in 2011, says Goetz, one of the highest rates in the world.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 03:11:23

  154. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    No Q’s for Goetz, Hugh Whiteley is up next.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 03:12:15

  155. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Most of the Nestle employees seem to be shuffling out now.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 03:12:36

  156. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Whiteley: City needs to make it clear that the province needs to speak out about water being a public trust.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 03:16:55

  157. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Elizabeth Griswold, of the Canadian Bottle Water Assoc. is speaking now.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 03:20:34

  158. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “All of our members are subject to stringent measures governing their water taking,” says Griswold.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 03:21:04

  159. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “We never hear in the media about the overall water taking in all industries,” says Griswold.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 03:21:52

  160. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    CBWA appreciates the dialogue that’s come about, even if they don’t appreciate being singled out.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 03:24:59

  161. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    No Qs for Griswold. Joseph St. Denis is next.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 03:25:58

  162. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “I’ve got a sinking feeling we might be wasting time talking about this […] I’m on the look out for 4 horseman.” St. Denis

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 03:26:38

  163. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “Can’t deny sales #’s” says St. Denis, so why not socialize it and not introduced new levies.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 03:27:59

  164. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    St Denis: “I’m by no means a hater of Nestle […] much of this body was built on Nestle products.”

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 03:29:49

  165. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    No Qs for St Denis, he’s got to go home “to see what the Trump is doing.”

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 03:30:37

  166. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Sean Roberts is up next. He’s got data from the province and the feds.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 03:31:27

  167. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Roberts from Enviro Canada. 40% of eligible water is withdrawn, which puts severe water stress on the system,

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 03:32:18

  168. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    We have the data dating back to 2005, says Roberts, why are we closing our eyes to it, he asks.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 03:33:39

  169. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Roberts calls on all levels of gov’t, up to and including @JustinTrudeau, to help protect water. Communities can’t fight big corps alone

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 03:35:48

  170. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “Canada’s watching, let’s acknowledge the mistakes of the past,” says Roberts.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 03:36:23

  171. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Next up John Farley. Says not all communities in Ontario has such a staff with expertise as Guelph, and whose looking out for them?

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 03:37:32

  172. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Farley: “A permit to take water is a privilege, and not a right.”

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 03:39:19

  173. This is the view of the gallery now. https://t.co/MmRQnM8jWG

    This is the view of the gallery now. pic.twitter.com/MmRQnM8jWG
    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    ·

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 03:40:10

  174. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “Could all this good work be *trumped* by CETA and NAFTA,” Farley asks.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 03:41:14

  175. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Next up is Mike. Also concerned about the Dolime quarry.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 03:42:02

  176. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Mandatory restictions on other large water taking permits should also be looked at, says Mike.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 03:43:20

  177. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Karen Rathwell is up next.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 03:45:24

  178. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    The parts of Guelph we seem to love and gather around are near water, Rathwell says.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 03:46:24

  179. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “Whose water is it, and who gets to decide?” Rathwell asks.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 03:46:53

  180. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “The water hits Guelph first,” Rathwell quotes Liz Sandals to demonstrate she’s out of touch on the issue.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 03:48:51

  181. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Before going to the next speaker, Guthrie asks for a motion to go past 11, and gets it.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 03:52:06

  182. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Next up is John Cherry. Hydrogeologist and professor at @uofg.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 03:53:11

  183. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “This community sits on a very productive bedrock aquifer.” says Cherry, but its not without its vulnerabilities.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 03:54:36

  184. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gordon asks Dr Cherry if his research is partially funded by Nestle? Future research, says Cherry, Ont. Research Council previous.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 03:58:17

  185. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    #Guelph has a hole in ground water research, needs more funds from feds and other sources, not just Nestle.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 03:58:53

  186. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    John Cowan up next.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 03:59:46

  187. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Cowan hasn’t heard anything about money in these conversation, just an old guy that lives in Guelph.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 04:00:41

  188. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Cowan: It takes the average Guelph resident 5 year to consume 1 million litres of water. That’s $45; Nestle pays $3.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 04:01:56

  189. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Cowan: “I’ll be lucky if i live long enough to use a million litres of water.”

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 04:03:55

  190. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Harry Oussoren up next, then a quick break.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 04:05:26

  191. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Ourssoren has operated a company that oversees industrial use of water.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 04:06:00

  192. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Oussoren says there are a lot of big issues with water taking, 4 gold courses in Guelph take 5 million L /day

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 04:06:55

  193. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    If City objects to Nestle, then it must also object to other large water taking projects. Need to work with Nestle not confront them.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 04:08:11

  194. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    That’s a break. Still about 10 ppl on the speakers list, and then the motion has to be debated…

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 04:08:52

  195. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Cynthia Bragg is up next.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 04:20:51

  196. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Bragg points out that despite the fact that Guelph has grown, we’ve kept our water use levels low overall.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 04:22:48

  197. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    We’re definitely going after midnight, the question is will be going after 1 am?

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 04:24:57

  198. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Bragg says Guelph will not stop growing in 2031, and Nestle doesn’t even cover the cost of its water taking now.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 04:25:43

  199. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Rob Frizzle is up next, he’s with the Canadian Bottled Water Association.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 04:26:51

  200. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Frizzle says he’s a believer in science-based decisions, but he doesn’t understand how targeting such a minor water user is going to help

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 04:28:20

  201. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    The issue here is about public trust in the science, and Ontario is a leader in protecting water despite what we’ve heard here.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 04:28:58

  202. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gibson’s asks how the precautionary principle is embedded in Frizzle’s organization.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 04:32:37

  203. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    MOECC will not issue long-term permits anymore, says Fizzle, they look at the results and methods, and make decision.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 04:33:27

  204. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Protection is in the science, and in the durations.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 04:34:15

  205. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Catherine Kormendy is now going to present.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 04:36:32

  206. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Kormendy feels a responsibility to protect water, as it’s sacred. Her daughter was one of the kids that was up earlier.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 04:37:47

  207. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “What is going to happen to this Earth if we don’t step up and take care of it,” asks Kormendy

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 04:39:06

  208. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Next up is Sheri Longboat of the Haudenosaunee Confederacy.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 04:42:43

  209. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Longboat is a Mohawk, and a U of G enviro-sci professor.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 04:43:32

  210. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    She doesn’t want her comments to count as consultation with Six Nations.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 04:43:53

  211. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Longboat reminds that for aborigianl people, water is life, water is us, what we do to the water, we do to ourselves.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 04:46:45

  212. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    No questions for Longboat, Lin Grist of @CouncilofCDNs Guelph chapter up now.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 04:48:55

  213. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Grist is here for everybdoy’s grandchildren, that can’t speak for themselves yet.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 04:49:29

  214. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    40K have supported CoC boycott of bottle water products after Nestle bought Middlebrook.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 04:51:59

  215. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Many members of CoC have called on the MOECC on the moretorium and proposed changes to PTTW process.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 04:52:51

  216. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “Water is a human right,” Grist wraps up on. No Qs.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 04:53:39

  217. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie asks for a motion to go after 11:59, 2/3s needed. Vote is unanimous.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 04:54:08

  218. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Maria Shallard is up next, she identifies as Indigious and European.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 04:54:44

  219. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    4 names left on the speakers list by the way.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 04:55:15

  220. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Current polices in the Water Protection Act do not take into account Indigionous rights. Following up on what Longboat was just saying.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 04:56:42

  221. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Shallard asking that future decisions not consider water a commodity, not even a resource…

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 04:58:07

  222. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Last speaker, Sel Mullins.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 05:00:49

  223. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Sel Mullins, a massage therapist, says water is foundational for wellness.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 05:01:22

  224. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Mullins asks council to keep pushing the message of the positive effects of water and its importance.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 05:04:05

  225. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Now council will debate the motion.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 05:04:32

  226. The Gordon motion, amended by Gibson. https://t.co/p1OIusTC0D

    The Gordon motion, amended by Gibson. pic.twitter.com/p1OIusTC0D
    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    ·

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 05:05:41

  227. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie asks if given the fact they’ve passed the other two recommendations tonight, is the third motion necessary…

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 05:06:16

  228. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie thinks there’s redundancy here. Council’s going to submit everything that’s happened tonight already.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 05:07:52

  229. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Downer asks staff with all the discussion about the plastic bottles and their effects can be included in comments about PTTW.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 05:08:57

  230. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    DCAO Stewart says plastic bottles are a “different branch” but still a concern on the solid waste side. Come come back with more comment.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 05:10:12

  231. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Salisbury says they’ve captured the intent, but it’s still worth referring the motion to Nov 28.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 05:10:57

  232. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Referal passes 11-0.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 05:12:11

  233. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie thanks staff and the public for participation. 3 special meets in the last 3 years to make sure ppl are heard. Hope that isn’t lost.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 05:12:54

  234. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Motion to adjourn, and that’s a wrap.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 05:13:05

  235. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Next council meeting is Wednesday about #GuelphBudget. Bradley Breedan will be live tweeting here.

    Tue, Nov 08 2016 05:13:39

 

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