LIVE BLOG – City Council Decides on 2016 Budget

Published on by Adam A. Donaldson

A number of tough choices lie ahead for Guelph’s city council tonight. Many on council want to keep any potential tax increase inline with the rate of inflation, others are concerned about making too many significant cuts in city services. Meanwhile, there are a lot of people in the city worried about losing transit services, or paying more for them (not to mention paying more for just about anything else). So many tough decisions, what will the 13 members of city council do?

Starting at 5 pm, I will be live blogging and tweeting from the city council meeting. You can follow my Twitter feed @adamadonaldson, or you simply follow along her through Storify. It might be a late one, and it might take more than one night, so stay tuned for all the developments/ announcements/ fireworks etc.

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Adam A. Donaldson
Sat, Sep 23 2017 17:11:06

#GuelphBudget 2016

Deliberations from Guelph City Council Meeting.

  1. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    For the record, yes, I will be live tweeting #GuelphBudget tonight from City Hall.

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 16:57:39

  2. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    I’m going to be giving Storify a try for the city council meeting tonight.

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 19:33:37

  3. Protestors outside of city hall before #GuelphBudget https://t.co/Ibz3JAb0ZU

    Protestors outside of city hall before #GuelphBudget pic.twitter.com/Ibz3JAb0ZU
    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
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    Wed, Dec 09 2015 21:50:52

  4. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    If you don’t feel like sorting out all my #GuelphBudget tweets, following along on the Politico live blog instead  http://guelphpolitico.blogspot.ca/2015/12/live-blog-city-council-decides-on-2016.html …

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 21:56:54

  5. Wednesday, December 9 @ 5 pm: IT'S BUDGET TIME!!! #Guelph https://t.co/CpYhXQPNKe

    Wednesday, December 9 @ 5 pm: IT’S BUDGET TIME!!! #Guelph pic.twitter.com/CpYhXQPNKe
    Mark MacKinnon@ward6mark

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    Wed, Dec 09 2015 21:58:55

  6. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Mayor opens with thanks to staff, community for their input. #GuelphBudget

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 22:02:34

  7. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie wants to avoid questions, but realizes there will be some. #GuelphBudget

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 22:03:20

  8. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    June Hofland wants to refer an infrastructure report to the next meeting. There’s a #GuelphBudget to pass tonight.

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 22:04:13

  9. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Report unanimously sent to next Corporate Services Meeting.

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 22:04:41

  10. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Final presentation of the process beginning.

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 22:05:33

  11. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Capital expenditures up first, then expansions, then reductions. #GuelphBudget

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 22:06:18

  12. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    First 2 items: approval of tax supported capital budget, and tax-supported capital forecast.

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 22:07:37

  13. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Cllr Wettstein moves to switch the operating budget discussion: reductions b4 expansions. Passes 13-0

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 22:08:58

  14. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Hofland moves the Capital recommendations. All 2nd. Piper has some discussion points.

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 22:09:48

  15. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Piper looking for an EA, and moving item to trails and not roads budget.

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 22:11:22

  16. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Moving from one envelope to another, basically. No changes to budget itself.

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 22:12:05

  17. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Emma-Earl Rd Bridge part of the Speedvale Rd expansion deal, perhaps cannot be moved.

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 22:13:35

  18. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Piper says that was for the EA, and not for the actual project.

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 22:13:51

  19. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Trails master plan coming in 2016 incl. decision about pedestrian trails and the fate of Emma-Earl.

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 22:16:09

  20. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gibson wants to send message the council will build E-E bridge, moving it to trails doesn’t do that.

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 22:18:42

  21. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Piper motion fails 8-7.

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 22:18:52

  22. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Billings want an update on Wellington Rd. project before approving new funds.

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 22:19:59

  23. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Downer says its part of a secondary plan. Wants staff to report back on the item, but important to leave that in.

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 22:20:39

  24. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Downer: it’s a bigger complex thing

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 22:20:53

  25. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Salisbury has strong concerns about moving something passed by a previous administration as justification.

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 22:21:33

  26. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Bell wonders what the effect of moving the $150K to 2017 pending the status of the OMB appeal.

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 22:22:18

  27. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Staff does not want to get into this considering there are a number of appeals pending at the OMB.

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 22:23:09

  28. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Council makes motion to move in camera, and passes. Back to business in a few.

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 22:24:46

  29. jborthwik

    John C. Borthwick@jborthwik
    @adamadonaldson Looks like it is going to be a long night! Thx @cityofguelph council and staff 4 the hard work you do 2 keep our city gr8!

    ·

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 22:27:17

  30. cityofguelph

    City of Guelph@cityofguelph
    Council is heading into an in-camera #GuelphBudget session. Don’t go to far we will be back on  http://periscope.tv/cityofguelph  shortly.

    ·

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 22:27:53

  31. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Council is coming back.

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 22:32:26

  32. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Council received information, but no direction was given on Billings motion. Motion withdrawn.

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 22:33:19

  33. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Downer wants to be ready for what the library’s role might be in the Baker St. project. Apparently, there is movement.

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 22:34:34

  34. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Motion: Up to $200K be made available from library reserve fund to get updated info on what needs to be done to make project ready.

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 22:35:26

  35. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    It’s in the budget already $780K in reserve, council just needs permission to access.

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 22:36:10

  36. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Wettstein says its a good idea to stay shovel ready.

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 22:36:22

  37. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Wettstein says library has sometimes got ahead of council. Need to know where/how library can fit as Baker plans change.

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 22:37:32

  38. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Staff: there is a need for funding to update the current studies.

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 22:37:58

  39. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Staff in response to Bell’s question: these motions are best done at budget time, tho technically they can be done anytime.

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 22:38:42

  40. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Curent plans and studies are 4 years old, says Downer, and there is “aggressive movement” on Baker project.

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 22:40:12

  41. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie says its a “really smart” motion. But is there any “synergies” with assessment of current library building.

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 22:41:20

  42. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Staff says synergy exists.

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 22:41:32

  43. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie want to make sure there could be a timing issue, winding down study of current building/winding up study of new building.

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 22:42:11

  44. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    11-2 in favour to make $200K available. Bell, Billings vote against.

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 22:42:52

  45. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gibson: Q about Imico site how much will sewar development in area get us? Any closer to redevelopment of site?

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 22:44:52

  46. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Staff: road component of the site covered, but capital budget for sanitary sewer already approved

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 22:45:29

  47. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gordon would like matching funds of $100K raised by @FriendsGPL put into capital reserve.

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 22:47:14

  48. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    This is a matter for the operating budget, says staff.

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 22:47:40

  49. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Operating budget, starting with reductions.

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 22:49:16

  50. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    First slide reductions in good and services (books, stationary, etc). $1800 in savings.

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 22:50:34

  51. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Wettstein, who wanted to talk about reductions first, is not here right now.

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 22:51:09

  52. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    MacKinnon wants to reject the cut to the mayor’s promotions budget. Maybe econ development opps outside city, says Guthrie.

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 22:51:51

  53. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Council votes 13-0 to save cuts to mayor’s promotions budget.

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 22:52:41

  54. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Salisbury asks about CAO contingency fund. Makes motion with Allt to keep $9K in budget.

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 22:54:10

  55. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Contingency fund stays 9-4.

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 22:54:26

  56. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Salisbury inquiring about catering. $3K in the budget.

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 22:55:14

  57. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    @SRdotButler Back in. It was a proposed reduction.

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 22:55:33

  58. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Some of the catering budget goes to prisoners in holding. Interesting.

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 22:56:13

  59. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    $12K catering at River Run = $300K back in investment, staff

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 22:56:49

  60. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Piper wants to move putting $2500 in the CAO catering budget.

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 22:58:34

  61. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Council votes 8-5 to put $2500 back into CAO budget for catering.

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 23:00:18

  62. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Holland wants to keep money in leaf pick-up for the benefit of seniors. Hard to take away service once offered.

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 23:01:38

  63. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Salisbury wants the issue of leaf pick-up explored once the budget process is over. There are savings, this is the wrong way to do it.

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 23:02:14

  64. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Wettstein says south end wants bag pickup, older parts of the city want leaf pickup. We’re talking about service review.

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 23:03:34

  65. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Staff: can review leaf pickup in time for fall 2016.

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 23:05:21

  66. It's budget night in the Royal City. Seats still available, come on down. #realityTV https://t.co/K1iJkw5mQh

    It’s budget night in the Royal City. Seats still available, come on down. #realityTV pic.twitter.com/K1iJkw5mQh
    Leanne Piper Ward 5@ward5guelph

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    Wed, Dec 09 2015 23:05:38

  67. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Staff: there is no wasted time where drivers are going around looking for leaves. they know where the leaves are.

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 23:06:43

  68. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gibson says we’re offering the service for city-owned property, ppl putting leaves on road an abuse of service.

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 23:07:35

  69. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gibson: there are some people that will go without, but the service has grown beyond original intent.

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 23:08:20

  70. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Downer challenges whether or not this was any initial imitations to leaf collection.

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 23:09:13

  71. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Downer wants to go out to the public and get feedback.

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 23:09:50

  72. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gordon: we can’t take away a service w/o offering something to replacement. Confusion/liability will ensue.

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 23:10:40

  73. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Allt says this needs examination after the fact. We promote a tree canopy, then we should support that capacity.

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 23:12:09

  74. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    There could be a negative variance. On a dollars and cents basis it doesn’t look good, Salisbury says.

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 23:13:22

  75. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Operational issue still exists, why are we considering this as a budget solution? -Salisbury.

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 23:14:02

  76. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    MacKinnon: this is an issue of home ownership and responsibility. Won’t support the motion to put money back in.

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 23:14:50

  77. cityofguelph

    City of Guelph@cityofguelph
    Council keep referring to community feedback received through emails, calls & in-person. Thanks #Guelph your input on the #GuelphBudget!

    ·

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 23:16:46

  78. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Leaf pick-up: $185.2K at stake.

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 23:17:23

  79. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    8-5 in favour of adding $185.2K back into the budget.

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 23:18:15

  80. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Billings, Gibson, Guthrie, MacKinnon and Van Hellemond vote against.

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 23:18:43

  81. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Piper wants to add $250K back into the budget for vehicle repair. Chances of variance is high, a lot of milage on city vehicles.

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 23:19:45

  82. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    This is to do with vehicle repair for Transit bus fleet. Engine repair and transmissions done outside the shop.

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 23:21:22

  83. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Risk of variance a ‘medium’ risk.

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 23:22:05

  84. ward5guelph

    Leanne Piper Ward 5@ward5guelph
    Leaf pick up reinstated to 2016 budget.

    ·

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 23:22:25

  85. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “Service rationalization” is the watch word – Wettstein.

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 23:22:43

  86. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gibson says we have to trust that they can manage.

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 23:23:46

  87. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    3-10. Vote to add $250K to vehicle repair fails.

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 23:24:06

  88. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Really? That’s messed up!  https://twitter.com/JasonDodgeWard3/status/674731070223458304 …

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 23:24:43

  89. steven_petric

    Steve Petric Inc.@steven_petric
    @adamadonaldson @JasonDodgeWard3 TV Bingo night. Don’t wanna make them seniors mad! 😉

    ·

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 23:25:44

  90. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Now debating Promotion & Education line item for $50K from Environmental Services.

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 23:27:45

  91. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Staff: reduction will not impact front end collection.

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 23:28:06

  92. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Voting on $25K to go back into budget. Fails 5-8.

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 23:29:15

  93. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Salisbury sees keeping Intigrated Operational Review as vital in fighting Guelph Factor.

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 23:30:09

  94. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Fails 3-10. Only Downer, Gordon and Salisbury vote to keep $70K

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 23:30:36

  95. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Piper wants to keep $7500 for construction communications.

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 23:31:07

  96. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Wettstein says staff told him they were going to stop communicating other things, not cut construction comms.

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 23:31:39

  97. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Salisbury looks for clarity from staff.

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 23:32:21

  98. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Staff: recognizes that construction comm is more important than other things. Won’t hire someone to cover construction.

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 23:33:15

  99. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Salisbury: why aren’t we debating the cutting go “lower priority” comm item.
    Staff: there is no “low priority” comms.

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 23:33:54

  100. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Staff: there will be a change to the comm plan, just management of work plan.

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 23:34:15

  101. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gibson: felt rewarded engaging with constituents about construction.

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 23:35:44

  102. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Allt wants clarity on the types of communications.
    Staff: notices to biz, radio, print, digital & social media.

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 23:36:34

  103. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Staff: the person hired to do this also interacts in real time with engineering for updates.

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 23:36:56

  104. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    7-6 vote to keep the money in the budget.

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 23:37:38

  105. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Thanks for following.  https://twitter.com/JasonDodgeWard3/status/674734511041568768 …

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 23:38:10

  106. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Piper and Bell move to keep catering for committee of adjustment. That’s $1500.

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 23:38:44

  107. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    12-1 vote to keep catering. McKinnon votes against.

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 23:39:15

  108. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Apparently Rogers doesn’t air council for another 2 hours and 20 minutes. Advantage me! (and @cityofguelph‘s Periscope feed)

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 23:41:59

  109. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Allt says cutting the courier budget will bring council “kicking and screaming into the 90s”

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 23:43:32

  110. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    $18K on the block for “recognition” an annual thanks to staff during the holidays called the festive formal.

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 23:45:20

  111. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Cutting the $18K would mean that staff would have to pay $80/each to go.

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 23:45:49

  112. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    McKinnon says staff is saying cut the staff party, so why not?

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 23:46:35

  113. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Sorry about that, it’s totally spell check’s fault.  https://twitter.com/ward6mark/status/674737416649859072 …

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 23:49:18

  114. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Vote to keep recognition fails 5-8

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 23:49:38

  115. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Allt wonders if its a smart idea to cut $4K from IT equipment fix.

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 23:50:44

  116. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Staff: that budget covers equipment not under warranty, will have negligible impact.

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 23:51:20

  117. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Hofland requests to go in camera b/c there’s an identifiable individual.

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 23:52:41

  118. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Another break. Back in a few.

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 23:52:53

  119. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Council coming back. Places!

    Wed, Dec 09 2015 23:59:42

  120. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gordon says state of the Farmers Market fragile right now, will have huge impact on vulnerable vendors.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 00:01:03

  121. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Wants to spread the $9k over three years.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 00:01:17

  122. Sweet_T_Cakes

    Sweet Temptations@Sweet_T_Cakes
    Motion on the floor to increase @GuelphMarket rates by only 5%, not the 15% proposed @cityofguelph #Guelph #community

    ·

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 00:02:32

  123. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    The will of council to decide to spread out the phase in. IOW: council will consider the reductions $3K/1 year at a time.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 00:02:52

  124. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Piper says she would like to see council refer future increases, as well as looking at extending FM by one hour.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 00:03:58

  125. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    5% increase would be more inline with other increase to renting city facilities, says staff. 15% was going to be catch up year.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 00:05:30

  126. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gibson: FM is running $21K deficit a year. Will be reducing that to $14K.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 00:06:47

  127. Sweet_T_Cakes

    Sweet Temptations@Sweet_T_Cakes
    Manage the market run better, @cityofguelph – the City should be spending money on the market – it’s operation is for the 4000+ public

    ·

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 00:06:50

  128. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Staff: hard to quantify what the economic generation of the FM is.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 00:07:45

  129. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Here we go: vote for $1 cash fare increase.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 00:09:30

  130. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    For transit. $1 increase in cash fare for transit now on table.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 00:09:50

  131. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    $263,300 will be made up if Guelph Transit goes to $3.50.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 00:11:20

  132. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    #318.7K would be made if fares raised to $4.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 00:11:50

  133. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gibson: haven’t seen rate increase in years, so we need some increase to catch-up to inflation.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 00:12:17

  134. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Allt thinks there should be no increase. $3 is where it should be

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 00:12:47

  135. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Ridership is elastic, but poverty is not. – Allt

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 00:13:12

  136. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Motion to adjust cash fare only to $.50.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 00:16:20

  137. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Seems to be alot of confusion about numbers right now.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 00:17:26

  138. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Other fares we’re not adjusting (passes, tix) the cash fare is the sole focus.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 00:18:46

  139. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gibson says city wants to encourage ppl to buy tix/passes. $2.80 per ticket better than $3.50 cash.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 00:19:32

  140. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    @JasonDodgeWard3 He says it’s come from conversations he’s been having with poverty groups. may have evolved.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 00:20:11

  141. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Actually, I got an answer for you. It was Colleen Clack.  https://twitter.com/Sweet_T_Cakes/status/674745371646689281 …

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 00:20:40

  142. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    We’re really talking about $50K for $.50 increase. May be looking at even a $.25 increase or lower.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 00:24:59

  143. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Hofland says there will be punitive impacts, and this will affect our most vulnerable pop.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 00:26:16

  144. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gordon disturbed that goal of cash fare increase is to de-emphasize cash fares. Not a possibility for some ppl.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 00:27:34

  145. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    $.50 vote increase fails. Allt, Downer, Gordon, Holland, Pipe, Salisbury, Wettstein vote against.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 00:29:49

  146. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Motion for $.25 increase now on the table.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 00:30:04

  147. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    $.25 fare increase passes 7-6.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 00:30:34

  148. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    To repeat: cash fare for @guelphtransit will be $3.25.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 00:31:02

  149. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Piper proposes a freeze on increase to all passes, tix for transit.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 00:31:23

  150. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Motion to freeze defeated 6-7.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 00:32:27

  151. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    MacKinnon moving that council approve increase of cash far to $4 over 4 years.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 00:35:02

  152. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Motion to amend transit matrix from .5% to .4%, a cost of $79.8K

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 00:38:16

  153. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    No seconder for MacKinnon motion.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 00:39:55

  154. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie asks for patience as he and others try and wrap their hands around the numbers.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 00:40:25

  155. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Piper will second MacKinnon motion so that affordable bus pass come in under $40 (RE: stay affordable.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 00:40:59

  156. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Basically.  https://twitter.com/dcwllms/status/674750624752402432 …

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 00:42:02

  157. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Salisbury believes council needs to work with community groups Re: affordable bus pass pricing. Shouldn’t be doing policy “on the fly”

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 00:43:28

  158. steven_petric

    Steve Petric Inc.@steven_petric
    @JasonDodgeWard3 @MikeGamble @adamadonaldson New routes delayed until 2017 budget so It is a bit odd.  http://cityofguelph.mindmixer.com/topics/7514/guelph-transit-route-review …

    ·

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 00:44:50

  159. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gibson acknowledges MacKinnon’s work on the issue. Wants continued consultation with staff if motion fails.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 00:45:54

  160. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Allt – this needs more time and consideration than staff doing the numbers “on the fly”

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 00:46:48

  161. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Piper asks if matrix can be referred and just approve the $32 affordable pass.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 00:47:18

  162. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Hofland was going to ask staff to look at low income measure vs low income cost. Measure will make pass available to more ppl.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 00:49:25

  163. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Hofland not sure where the cost would be covered. If they go with LIM would it come from public services budget or transit?

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 00:52:11

  164. ward6mark

    Mark MacKinnon@ward6mark
    Feeling lots of love from #Guelph council about my efforts on the affordable bus pass. 😊 Thanks! @Ward1Guelph @JuneHofland

    ·

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 00:53:09

  165. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Affordable bus pass is presently another transit pass, no cap on it.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 00:53:16

  166. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Staff: we are really close, so close it hurts.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 00:54:54

  167. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    MacKinnon clarifies: reduce adult to $32, but youth and seniors currently set $34.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 00:57:05

  168. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    MacKinnon: new rate for youth and seniors affordable pass – $27.20.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 00:57:32

  169. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Piper wants to avoid tying it to the matrix calculation. Guthrie says the method of the arriving at the number irrelevant.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 00:58:59

  170. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Motion for affordable buss pass: $32 for adults, $27.20 youth, seniors.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 01:00:16

  171. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Total reduction in revenue is $187,171, taking the original $318.7K down to $131,529

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 01:01:36

  172. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Holland wonders if we’re targeting the same ppl: increase in cash fare/decrease in affordable pass?

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 01:02:30

  173. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    MacKinnon points out that there are ppl that can afford $3.25, no one getting affordable pass can afford full price.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 01:04:23

  174. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Vote on affordable pass cuts 9-4 in favour. Bell, Billings, Guthrie, Salisbury vote against.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 01:05:14

  175. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie says he voted against because he wants to have full discussion.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 01:05:34

  176. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Now the topic about the cuts to Transit service. Salisbury moves to restore Sunday service.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 01:07:05

  177. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Allt – Sunday is as important a day as any other in the week. ppl who work know its essential.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 01:08:13

  178. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gibson understands why staff brought that forward, they are apolitical.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 01:09:13

  179. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gibson: it’s difficult to ask public to go without once service has been offered. 2nd time that’s been said tonight.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 01:09:52

  180. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gibson believes there’s lower hanging fruit in transit.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 01:10:06

  181. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Salisbury says we should compare ourselves to other cities that charge $3.25, like Toronto.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 01:10:52

  182. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    MacKinnon will bring a motion to extend the hours if motion to keep 1/2 hr Sunday service fails.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 01:11:33

  183. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Motion to keep Sunday service passes 12-1. MacKinnon lone vote against.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 01:12:44

  184. ward6mark

    Mark MacKinnon@ward6mark
    FYI, #Guelph has just set the lowest affordable bus pass rate (in relation to the adult monthly pass) in Ontario. Possibly even Canada.

    ·

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 01:13:01

  185. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Now summer service on tap. Should it stay or should it go?

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 01:13:14

  186. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Piper moves to cut service in July/Aug only. Roads will be more navigable w/o buses. No seconder.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 01:14:20

  187. ward5guelph

    Leanne Piper Ward 5@ward5guelph
    Sunday transit service stays at 30 minutes.

    ·

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 01:14:24

  188. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Hofland moves to keep summer service as is.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 01:15:07

  189. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Allt seconds Hofland motion. Gibson says summer service is the low hanging fruit. Minimal impact for huge savings.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 01:16:12

  190. Andrew1189prez

    andrew@Andrew1189prez
    Transit can not drive it in 39 minutes

    ·

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 01:17:07

  191. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Allt wants all implications examined, keep service as is for 2016.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 01:17:09

  192. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Allt asking about impact on fleet as it stands now.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 01:18:37

  193. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Won’t be significant impact on fleet.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 01:19:06

  194. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Zero impact on permanent full time staff in reducing summer service.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 01:20:14

  195. Andrew1189prez

    andrew@Andrew1189prez
    I disagree extra board are working over 40 hrs plus now
    And there are not full

    ·

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 01:21:45

  196. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gordon wonders if we can generate more revenue by promoting more ppl to get on the bus in the summer when its more inviting.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 01:23:27

  197. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    McKinnon wants to save for 2016 and re-invest in transit for 2017 with new routes, et al.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 01:24:10

  198. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Salisbury asks about strain on drivers to make 20 minute schedule in 30 minutes.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 01:25:42

  199. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    All of the schedules will need to be revamped for 30 min. A “re-engineering” of routes and schedules.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 01:26:43

  200. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Salisbury: does the line item account for re-engineering?

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 01:27:01

  201. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Staff: short answer, yes.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 01:27:14

  202. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Will the routes be changed in anyway? – Salisbury.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 01:27:37

  203. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Nope, just working it to 30 mins. – staff

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 01:28:09

  204. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Hofland says transit seems mot important to many around the horseshoe. Increases over service cuts.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 01:29:24

  205. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Downer wants to see what happens with 1/2 hour service in the summer. Will take more discussion.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 01:30:51

  206. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Vote to keep summer service fails 5-8.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 01:31:17

  207. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    @Aratroas @steven_petric Yes, but the service runs on 40 min schedule during rush hour. more traffic, slower service, 1 less bus per hr.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 01:32:50

  208. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    MacKinnon wants to shave peak time starting in the fall. 7-9:20am, 2:20-5pm. $100,550 saved.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 01:34:03

  209. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Earliest this could be implemented is Fall 2016.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 01:34:46

  210. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Salisbury says this is may be a brilliant idea, but there may be greater impact. Wants to recommend to staff.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 01:36:52

  211. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    @jrb883 @steven_petric I don’t necessarily disagree, but there are ppl on transit w/ legit physical needs who will get screwed in rush DT

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 01:38:14

  212. steven_petric

    Steve Petric Inc.@steven_petric
    @jrb883 @adamadonaldson Depending.Some stops removed under previous GM making some stops very far apart/above transit standard in other city

    ·

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 01:39:08

  213. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    @jrb883 @steven_petric Many U of G routes are already cut back in summer, btw.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 01:41:33

  214. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Motion to approve adjust peak service, 3-10. Gibson, MacKinnon and Van Hellemond voted for.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 01:42:20

  215. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Allt, Salisbury moves to keep stat holiday service.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 01:42:56

  216. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Motion to keep stat service: 5-8. Stat holiday service done.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 01:45:41

  217. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Mayor Guthrie calls for 5 minute break.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 01:46:23

  218. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Important correction. Thanks Cathy!  https://twitter.com/CathyDowner/status/674769847989854208 …

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 01:58:32

  219. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Transit update: $3.25 cash fare, cheaper affordable passes, Sunday service remains, summer service cut 1/2 hr, stat service 1hr.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 01:59:29

  220. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Current increase at 1.79% total.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 01:59:47

  221. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Debating a $10k or $20K decrease, but didn’t catch for what.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 02:03:04

  222. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Money for council training basically.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 02:04:12

  223. steven_petric

    Steve Petric Inc.@steven_petric
    @klawrenc @CathyDowner @adamadonaldson I watched last year as 2A/3B PACKED at 2pm w/ ppl going to Riverside Park. Now expect more cars.

    ·

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 02:04:52

  224. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie doesn’t want to go into negative variance on training. Important for council and it doesn’t carry over anyway.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 02:04:56

  225. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Vote 7-6 to reduce line item for training from $20K to $10K.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 02:06:43

  226. ward5guelph

    Leanne Piper Ward 5@ward5guelph
    @adamadonaldson Stat holiday service reduced to 60 mins from 30 mins. #shrug

    ·

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 02:06:44

  227. steven_petric

    Steve Petric Inc.@steven_petric
    @jrb883 @adamadonaldson No They have free advertising for transit on the big screen/etc. Storm get free promo on bus.i.e. Go Storm Go sign

    ·

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 02:07:30

  228. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Debating now whether to separate the vote for Open Gov Action Plan and the hiring of FTE for same.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 02:14:05

  229. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Salisbury arguing why are we voting for the office and staff member separately.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 02:14:33

  230. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Apparently Open Gov is contrast position not FTE.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 02:16:31

  231. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Open Gov action plan endorsed by council in Sept ’14

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 02:17:24

  232. ward6mark

    Mark MacKinnon@ward6mark
    @steven_petric @ward5guelph @adamadonaldson Specifically for Canada Day we will be considering a transit funding of $11,100 for service soon

    ·

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 02:17:51

  233. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gibson is not looking to expand FTE compliment at the moment.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 02:18:44

  234. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Is there gapping to fund the position for 1 year? No.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 02:19:09

  235. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Vote to remove $117K 3-10 Bell Billings Gibson

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 02:19:28

  236. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Removal of $1,700 2-11 Bell and Billings. Open Gov stays in

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 02:20:01

  237. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gibson calls for separate vote for 3 positions under Health & Safety.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 02:20:52

  238. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gibson says he doesn’t see why we’re adding positions when a service review is coming.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 02:22:16

  239. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Staff: a number of new amenities that require specialized training.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 02:23:20

  240. ward6mark

    Mark MacKinnon@ward6mark
    @steven_petric @ward5guelph @adamadonaldson I believe you’re right. I’ll be bringing up sponsorship later tonight about this issue.

    ·

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 02:23:23

  241. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Vote on removal of Mechanic in training. Fails 6-7

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 02:25:04

  242. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gibson says he’s looking out for staff, if we’re doing a strategic review.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 02:26:25

  243. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    We’re going in camera again. We’ll be right back.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 02:27:34

  244. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Council is coming back.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 02:39:01

  245. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Question of magnitude says Salisbury.
    Staff: $450K this year.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 02:40:57

  246. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Vote on removal of sports field operator position. Fails 2-11 (Bell, MacKinnon)

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 02:41:39

  247. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Next up, removal of Supervisor of Trails. Fails 6-7.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 02:43:00

  248. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Removal of Compliance Coordinator passes 8-5

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 02:43:56

  249. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Next, 3 Roads, Right of Way Supervisors. $489,500 split 3 ways

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 02:44:53

  250. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Bell moves to approve 1 RRoW Supervisor.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 02:45:22

  251. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Is it functional to break this down, asks Salisbury, given 24 hr work schedule.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 02:46:04

  252. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Staff: No, winter control is 27/7 operation. weekends too.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 02:46:41

  253. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Wettstein: It’s a growth issue, we’ve let this slide for a number of years.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 02:47:32

  254. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Bell moves to approve 2 new positions. Fails 6-7

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 02:49:19

  255. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Next, licensed electrician for signs and signals $180,400

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 02:49:52

  256. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Vote fails 6-7

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 02:50:08

  257. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Bell moves to remove 1 of 2 electrician positions.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 02:50:32

  258. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Motion passes 11 -2

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 02:50:52

  259. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    New street sweeper remains.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 02:51:20

  260. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    2 new Trail technicians. Bell moves to remove both.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 02:51:52

  261. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gibson says its not a pressing issue, but they may be rationalizing in a year.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 02:52:17

  262. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    City regularly maintains only 60% of trails. No new staff been added to Parks in 8 yrs. We’re behind.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 02:52:56

  263. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Staff: 1 is better than none.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 02:53:15

  264. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Bell can’t recall last time he had complaint about trails, geese excluded.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 02:53:56

  265. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gordon: staff made a compelling argument for new staff. Seems like we’re playing catch up with a lot of these items.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 02:54:40

  266. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Salisbury will be bring motion to remove 1 should motion for none fail.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 02:55:21

  267. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Vote to remove both trail techs fails 6-7

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 02:55:41

  268. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Motion to remove 1 trail tech. passes 9-4

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 02:56:05

  269. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Manager and Analyst for corporate asset management now on the block.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 02:56:44

  270. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Staff: comprehensive asset management is an evolving practice. it would be new work to put on staff.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 02:58:53

  271. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Staff: comprehensive asset management is an evolving practice. it would be new work to put on staff.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 02:58:53

  272. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Level of expertise needed is different than what’s in house.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 02:59:20

  273. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    McKinnon says this is a team asset, and impacts gas tax funding. Need Asset management to take advantage.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 02:59:57

  274. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Vote to remove analyst fails 3-10.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 03:00:17

  275. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Info and Access Co-ordinator stays 6-7

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 03:00:58

  276. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    GIS Program Manager stays 6-7

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 03:01:39

  277. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Which I believe is what Cllr MacKinnon said.  https://twitter.com/JasonDodgeWard3/status/674785766501847040 …

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 03:02:28

  278. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    We’re at 2.69 increase right now.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 03:02:44

  279. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Service rationalization, which is a non FTE position, being debated. No one things this one is unnecessary.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 03:05:46

  280. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Service rationalization key going forward – MacKinnon.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 03:06:37

  281. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Service rationalization comes in at $450K

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 03:07:12

  282. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gibson: it’s a matter of integrity and open governance.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 03:08:12

  283. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    We are into hour 5 of budget deliberations. #noendinsight. 😉

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 03:09:19

  284. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Downer says staff rationalizes budget all the time.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 03:11:57

  285. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    The hike already announced passed.  https://twitter.com/Aratroas/status/674788766930878464 …

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 03:13:43

  286. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Wettstein has zero concern about Stewart being effective fight now.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 03:15:16

  287. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Risk of not doing the rationalization, but there’s also a risk of doing it – Hofland.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 03:16:28

  288. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Salisbury says that work has been done elsewhere, why not data harvest?

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 03:18:38

  289. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Basically, have municipalities found the answer to savings or no savings in the same places? -Salisbury.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 03:19:52

  290. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    MacKinnon: we make calculated risk decisions all the time for the city.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 03:20:20

  291. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    $450K against operation of whole city: no-brainer MacKinnon. #basically.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 03:21:01

  292. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Piper: the low hanging fruits been picked.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 03:22:47

  293. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Van Hellemond says that this was heavily supported by staff, so why not?

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 03:23:45

  294. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie says he’s jumped back and forth re: Service Rationalization.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 03:24:36

  295. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie: heard this loud and clear for several years; good for city.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 03:25:45

  296. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Service Rationalization passes 8-7

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 03:26:01

  297. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Next up special olympics.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 03:26:26

  298. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Yes, it stays. Clarity!  https://twitter.com/ward6mark/status/674792302905131008 …

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 03:27:10

  299. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Basically council agrees not to remove the $450K for service rationalization by a vote of 6-7. #clarity.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 03:28:32

  300. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Majority of costs for $35K is rental of Sleeman. Some of it is in-kind support.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 03:29:11

  301. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Vote to include $35K for Special Olympics passes 13-0

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 03:29:33

  302. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Economic impact of Special Olympics expected to be $100M

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 03:29:53

  303. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Motion to incl. $434.5K for sidewalk maintenance, which will catch Guelph up in terms of compliance.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 03:31:51

  304. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Allt asks about Ontario compliance 239.02. a requirement that we must maintain sidewalks to deal with discontinuities of 2cm or greater.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 03:32:52

  305. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    The $434K will fix #guelph sidewalks for the next few years.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 03:33:17

  306. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Staff: this is not all in house, it’s staffing and contracting services and goods.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 03:34:15

  307. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gibson: this is something that council needs to get done.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 03:34:49

  308. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gibson: Can’t support it this year, but it should come back next year.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 03:35:37

  309. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Wettstein: Limited in terms of what we can go unless we want to raise taxes up to 4%. Not something he wants to do btw.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 03:36:52

  310. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Allt: vital for citizens with mobility issues to have good sidewalks. Van Hellemond also offers support.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 03:37:36

  311. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Downer: this is a big insurance issue, which of course the Mayor knows 😉

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 03:38:09

  312. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    2,072 locations identified that exceeded recommendations and needs repair. How many more by next year, asks Gordon.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 03:38:51

  313. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Process of prioritization, says staff, it feel of list, but there is money to do *some* work. we keep falling behind.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 03:39:33

  314. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Thaw and freeze cycle not as severe this year (so far) – staff.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 03:40:49

  315. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    We have a decision to keep to a number in tax increase or dealing with public safety and community issues. – Gordon.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 03:41:33

  316. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gibson: there is funds in the capital budget to deal with curbs and make accessible. We are addressing some elements.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 03:42:19

  317. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Billings: sidewalks was the #2 complaint she heard on campaign trail

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 03:43:11

  318. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Billings says she was saving for sidewalks in some of her votes tonight.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 03:43:28

  319. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    $434K for sidewalks. 10-3. Sidewalks in the budget.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 03:44:28

  320. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Piper moves to include $86K for new paramedic.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 03:45:15

  321. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Aging pop and rising response time the reason.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 03:45:33

  322. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Aging pop and rising response time the reason.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 03:45:33

  323. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Staff this is the last of the 4 that was originally requested for in 2014 re: paramedics.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 03:46:23

  324. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Paramedicine vs paramedic: what’s more important?

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 03:49:05

  325. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Salisbury wasn’t sure how the two are related.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 03:49:32

  326. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    paramedic is a first responder, paramedicine is program based.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 03:50:13

  327. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Motion for paramedic position fails 5-8

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 03:50:36

  328. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gas Tax realignment. Can we do more than $500K?

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 03:51:22

  329. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    MacKinnon: only $265,900 available for transit capital this year.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 03:52:22

  330. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    No tax impact on this one.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 03:53:37

  331. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Vote to approve the swap passes 13-0

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 03:55:59

  332. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie calls for a motion to go past 11.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 03:56:10

  333. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Going into hour 6 of #GuelphBudget deliberations.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 03:57:02

  334. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Motion to include Park Planner in budget. Half of $56,050 salary coming from capital.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 03:57:49

  335. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Park planner position passes 10-3

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 03:58:38

  336. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Downer looking at Inspection Arborist. Tree protection important to Guelphites.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 03:59:28

  337. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Downer looking at Inspection Arborist. Tree protection important to Guelphites.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 03:59:28

  338. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Basically, a lot of tree issues in town.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 03:59:54

  339. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Total increase now at 3.15%

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 04:00:19

  340. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Inspector motion passes.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 04:00:42

  341. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Sorry that was Arborist that passed. Inspector Arborist failed despite charming job title.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 04:02:00

  342. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Downer moves for $11.1K for Canada Day operator for Guelph Transit.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 04:02:49

  343. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    It’s been a negative variance the last couple of years, why not budget for it – Salisbury.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 04:03:17

  344. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Salisbury wants to seek corporate sponsorship for this position.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 04:03:45

  345. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    New Year’s Eve has sponsorship, so Canada Day sponsors are possible.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 04:04:55

  346. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Wettstein jokes that he has a conflict as a Rotarian. Seriously tho, they already pay for the whole shebang RE: Canada Day

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 04:05:56

  347. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Allt says he can’t support mixed messages. RE: stat holiday service.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 04:06:32

  348. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Canada Day operator passes 8-5

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 04:06:44

  349. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Piper moves $180,900 for paramedice. We will pay in other ways she says.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 04:07:12

  350. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Actual # is $120K not $180+. Provincial grant came in.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 04:08:36

  351. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Piper notes that council didn’t approve new paramedic.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 04:08:52

  352. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Vote on adding $120K for paramedicine programs passes 8-5

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 04:10:18

  353. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Despite current events, we may still need more $ for winter control. – Piper.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 04:11:08

  354. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    $350K is what it costs to provide winder control, has experienced budget shortfall last 2 years.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 04:11:55

  355. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Staff: every municipality has same issues with winter control.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 04:13:16

  356. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    We seem to be in 30 year cycle right now, and variability very high with #climatechange

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 04:14:40

  357. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gibson: the new normal is the average of extremes.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 04:15:12

  358. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    More winter control money fails 5-8. Council trying to stop the (tax) snowball.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 04:16:03

  359. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Next $125K for Zoning Inspector.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 04:16:38

  360. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    It’s a holdover from last year btw.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 04:16:55

  361. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Zoning Inspector approval be looked at seriously for completion of service review commitment. – Wettstein.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 04:17:54

  362. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie: things are getting better in terms of complaints. compliance is starting to come up.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 04:20:06

  363. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie wants to see one more year of data before a final, final vote.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 04:20:33

  364. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Zoning Inspector passes 7-6

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 04:20:46

  365. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Need for GIS program? We need good data.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 04:23:04

  366. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    @SarahSheppdawg #logistics.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 04:23:26

  367. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Seriously tho, that’s going to be one of a number of follow-ups tonite.  https://twitter.com/SarahSheppdawg/status/674806440473694208 …

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 04:23:59

  368. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Data would give us a better idea of the “underground infrastructure” we have. Make better decisions.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 04:25:06

  369. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Increase now at 3.32%

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 04:25:41

  370. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    MacKinnon: we need ward boundary review. Increased pop in areas, work of councillors has changed.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 04:26:31

  371. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    For sure, I don’t know how that will worked out.  https://twitter.com/SarahSheppdawg/status/674807067211726848 …

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 04:27:00

  372. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    MacKinnon moves, Gordon seconds. RE: GIS program

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 04:28:09

  373. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Council composition. fails 5-8 despite MacKinnon’s impassioned motion.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 04:28:44

  374. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gordon looking for support for $500K for stabilization reserve. Hofland seconds.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 04:29:37

  375. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    You mean like how much each ward pays into the budget?  https://twitter.com/davidson_tom/status/674808381836693505 …

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 04:31:05

  376. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    $500K for stabilization reserve fails 5-7

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 04:32:25

  377. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    $500K for stabilization reserve fails 5-7

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 04:32:25

  378. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Goose lovers/haters, this next one’s for you .

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 04:33:28

  379. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Bell: ppl are being attacked. no one plays in the park and its the geese’s fault!

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 04:34:25

  380. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Enough is enough! Bell has had it with these m*****f***ing geese in our m*****f***ing parks!

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 04:35:16

  381. steven_petric

    Steve Petric Inc.@steven_petric
    @SarahSheppdawg @adamadonaldson I.e. Route 8 Stone Road Mall becomes Route 12 General Hospital both 30mins now one long route with 1 bus 1hr

    ·

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 04:35:41

  382. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Salisbury: it’s a human problem, not a goose problem. Put up a sign.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 04:35:46

  383. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Allt: “I’m going to take a gander at this one.” Entire city hall groans

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 04:36:35

  384. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie asks if staff can get by with $25K?

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 04:38:19

  385. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Staff: unsure what they could get for $25K

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 04:38:37

  386. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Geese: you’re safe. Motion fails 4-9

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 04:39:04

  387. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie trying to get head around why we need a specialist, and we’re already working with U of G

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 04:40:35

  388. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Vote for $25K for action on geese fails 5-8

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 04:41:11

  389. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Staff will be coming back with graffiti strategy next year.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 04:42:10

  390. collier4ward2

    Martin Collier@collier4ward2
    #guelph council voting against many $18K-$500K budget items when $16.8 million could have been saved on four road projects @adamadonaldson

    ·

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 04:42:28

  391. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Piper moves Facade feasibility and Grant program at $130K. Wettstein says wait with Baker St. now in play.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 04:43:19

  392. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    McKinnon says council face $240K to one land owner. How is this feasible?

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 04:44:36

  393. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    McKinnon says council face $240K to one land owner. How is this feasible?

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 04:44:36

  394. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gibson says the money isn’t being spread out. It’s very targeted and there will be natural development downtown

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 04:45:38

  395. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Downtown facade fails 6-7

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 04:45:50

  396. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Salisbury thinks we may wrap by midnight. Wants to talk about St Georges’ Square activity plan before midnight.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 04:46:45

  397. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Speaks to Baker, and Wyndham. Key piece to revitalize downtown.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 04:47:08

  398. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    $30K for St George’s Activation about programming in the square.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 04:48:01

  399. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gordon asks for clarity for where the $30K will go.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 04:49:54

  400. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Staff: trying out very options and engaging community on what’s possible in the square.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 04:50:29

  401. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    How can we use tourism and culture to help take ownership of the square.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 04:50:53

  402. steven_petric

    Steve Petric Inc.@steven_petric
    @SarahSheppdawg @adamadonaldson Boxing Day also a major day but service starts at 9:15. Many stores open earlier so kinda moot.

    ·

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 04:51:22

  403. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Similar to what’s been done with Market Square.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 04:51:23

  404. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Vote on $30K fails 5-8

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 04:51:53

  405. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie says we have 2 more pages and 2 more debatable options. Plus affordable housing reserve.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 04:53:03

  406. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    I think we’re very, very close. – Guthrie.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 04:53:26

  407. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    10 -3 vote to go after midnight.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 04:54:12

  408. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    But 1st, a 10 minute break.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 04:54:35

  409. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Back at it for the grand finale of #GuelphBudget

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 05:04:56

  410. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Front end collection service and $790,500 for 2 FTEs now up

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 05:05:33

  411. cityofguelph

    City of Guelph@cityofguelph
    Council has voted to keep the #GuelphBudget meeting going. Thanks for joining us on  http://periscope.tv/cityofguelph , Rogers & in-person @ City Hall.

    ·

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 05:06:31

  412. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Topic at hand are the condo owners paying for private collection and being unable to access city services.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 05:07:03

  413. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Bell: to continually not provide the service we’re running in opposite directions after making buildings 3-stream compliant.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 05:08:21

  414. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Bell: to continually not provide the service we’re running in opposite directions after making buildings 3-stream compliant.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 05:08:21

  415. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    $200K for contractor would have to provide 3-stream. It will be outlined in the ask.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 05:10:07

  416. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Downer wants amendment for 1 year contract.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 05:11:42

  417. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Staff recommends 18 months. it will take a while to gather the data.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 05:12:22

  418. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Deputy CAO says you’re either in, or your out RE: contracting condo garbage pick up

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 05:13:57

  419. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Any contract might by a 7-8 year experience.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 05:14:38

  420. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Writing the RFP – Request for Proposal – will give the city the cost needed. – Deputy CAO Stewart.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 05:15:31

  421. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Allt says he’s more inclined to the city buying the equipment. Economy of scale,

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 05:16:46

  422. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Problem: present contracts condo have with private pickup won’t all expire at the same time.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 05:18:15

  423. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    A fair amount of data that needs to be gathered.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 05:18:39

  424. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Do all mulit-residential units want to participate?

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 05:19:23

  425. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Stewart said a lot of time in Hamilton was spent trying to figure out ‘could’ and not just ‘should’ city pick up condo garbage

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 05:22:25

  426. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Bell: $200K comes from convos with staff and it would be the right amount to start.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 05:23:29

  427. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Dean Wyman says that $200K will cover someone to go out and get the information. No one at city right now can pull info together.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 05:25:32

  428. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Wettstein: do we know who is eligible for the service?

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 05:26:20

  429. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Wyman: No idea. But we will get a very definite number for the RFP. $200K might be enough, but it might not.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 05:27:37

  430. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    The choice: $200K to get something started, or wait and see for council to collect more info…

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 05:29:17

  431. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Is this practical b/c there’s a review coming?

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 05:30:10

  432. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Currently funds in the based budget to hire coop students and summer students. Could take that and hire someone.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 05:31:59

  433. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gibson thinks we should not leave council tonight w/o addressing this, worries about immediate action.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 05:33:01

  434. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    We still some work to do, says staff. 20 buildings ready to come “online.” in the next year.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 05:34:24

  435. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Council needs to have stronger answers to make sure any RFP is a competitive one

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 05:35:21

  436. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Waste Reduction Co-ordinator would be first step, could take 10 months to get equipment. It won’t happen right away.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 05:37:26

  437. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gordon recommends going for the Co-ordinator to start.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 05:39:07

  438. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Bell: sounds like the same conversation we had last year. Appreciate’s Stewart’s expertise, but Guelph has guidance to proceed.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 05:40:46

  439. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    If council approves the $790K we will have the date b4 the trucks come in, but… we would be taking a risk b/c the RFP # may grow.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 05:42:18

  440. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Co-ordinator will guarantee @cityofguelph will get the right data.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 05:42:47

  441. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie says council is sending signals we’re taking it seriously.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 05:43:21

  442. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Vote for $200K fails 1-12

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 05:43:50

  443. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Motion to approve Waster Reduction Co-ordinator. Passes 13-0

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 05:44:19

  444. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    We’re on 3rd to last item. $200K for affordable housing reserve.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 05:44:57

  445. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Still some work to do on differentiating affordable and social housing. – Wettstein

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 05:46:33

  446. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Allt believes that the city should investment should be closer to $1M but will settle for $200K

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 05:47:19

  447. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gibson: been pushing no since 8:30 wants to push yes on this one.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 05:47:37

  448. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gordon: chicken and the egg – not seeing anything b/c no money in reserve/no money unreserve so can’t see anything

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 05:49:25

  449. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Vote for $200K fails 3-10

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 05:49:37

  450. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Vote for $100K carries 9-4

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 05:49:51

  451. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Increase now at 3.37%

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 05:50:47

  452. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gordon motion to add $100K to match contribution of @FriendsGPL to library capital fund.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 05:52:34

  453. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Vote on $100K for library passes 7-6

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 05:52:58

  454. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Increase now at 3.42%

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 05:53:52

  455. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gibson wants to discuss rationale of some of the capital projects.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 05:54:40

  456. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    New parking garage will be revenue generator, infrastructure also needs desperate update – Gibson

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 05:55:20

  457. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    capital budget $60,884,349

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 05:55:57

  458. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Capital Budget vote: passes 13-0

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 05:59:29

  459. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Motion to receive Capital forecast: 13-0 in favour.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 06:01:29

  460. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Salisbury look for one motion to approve all the amendments.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 06:02:06

  461. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    The motion, to approve 2016 budget of i$217,336,736 or 3.42% above 2015.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 06:02:56

  462. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Hour 8 of #GuelphBudget begins.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 06:03:41

  463. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Piper asks if Guthrie will be supporting budget.
    Guthrie: Nope.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 06:04:20

  464. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Piper: never been about a hard number, it’s been about a budget for the ppl and not a numerical figure.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 06:05:19

  465. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Wettstein: struggle comes down to if there’s anything else he has to add.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 06:06:05

  466. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    What’s the next step for the budget if it fails, Wettstein asks.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 06:06:42

  467. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie says let’s take the vote and see.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 06:06:56

  468. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Wettstein: You haven’t considered?
    Guthrie: It says the community thinks its too high.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 06:07:35

  469. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie: It’s not about me it;s about the ppl I represent is that this number is too high.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 06:07:55

  470. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Bell: Plan B should be to look at the close vote amendments.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 06:08:47

  471. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    It’s stating to seem like this budget is about to go down.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 06:09:33

  472. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gibson: municipal tax hits low income and middle class the hardest. This budget is out of touch with Guelph families.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 06:10:48

  473. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gibson’s a no vote, btw.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 06:11:03

  474. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Downer asks that councillors who vote no on budget, don’t ‘slag’ on ones that do.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 06:12:18

  475. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gordon asks where’s the integrity of voting to add stuff to the budget and then voting against it.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 06:12:58

  476. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gordon: “no one called me asking to keep it below 2.8%”
    Gerry Barker (a few seats away from me): “Of course they didn’t”

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 06:14:05

  477. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gordon: every item was carefully considered.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 06:14:34

  478. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Wettstein: voting against the budget is saying this process isn’t successful.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 06:15:03

  479. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Wettstein: my first motion will be to take out service rationalization (in event of budget failure)

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 06:15:50

  480. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Hofland says it was her intention to work with staff and make budget she can be proud of.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 06:16:47

  481. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Hofland says she was keen to support the budget. Disappointed in others.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 06:17:43

  482. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Billings: many things she wanted to support but didn’t b/c she had an eye on the increase.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 06:18:43

  483. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Alt: imperative that we support something that we built together.
    (Gerry Barker thought that was funny)

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 06:20:24

  484. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gibson thinks we should start tomorrow night with the 7-6 votes.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 06:20:45

  485. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Wettstein wants council to re-examine their own votes, not looking at the others’ votes.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 06:21:27

  486. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Vote is called for the approval of Operating Budget,

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 06:22:08

  487. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Budget fails 5 to 8.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 06:23:06

  488. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Allt, Downer, Hofland, Gordon and Piper voted in favour

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 06:23:26

  489. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gibson wants to start taking a look at re-votes.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 06:23:59

  490. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Can’t finish the recommendations w/o approval of Operating budget.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 06:24:45

  491. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Bell wants list of 7/6 votes for tomorrow’s meet.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 06:25:04

  492. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Piper moves a recess. Meeting will resume tomorrow at 6pm.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 06:25:44

  493. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie says think long and hard about what needs to be done. And vote together on a complete budget.

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 06:26:09

  494. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    That’s a wrap for #GuelphBudget tonight. To be continued…

    Thu, Dec 10 2015 06:26:26

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