LIVE BLOG: Committee of the Whole for July 4, 2017

Published on by Adam A. Donaldson

It’s the last committee meeting before summer break, and it’s stocked with infrastructure stuff. You can click here for the amended agenda from City Hall, and you can click here to read Politico’s preview of today’s meeting. For the complete blow-by-blow of today’s committee meeting, you can follow me on Twitter, or follow along below via Storify.

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Adam A. Donaldson
Wed, Jul 05 2017 01:54:47

Committee-of-the-Whole Meeting – July 4, 2017

Live blog from the meeting starting at 2 pm

  1. Committee-of-the-Whole gets underway in about 50 minutes. Das agenda: https://t.co/DIqscaQwId https://t.co/ycxL4SsElH

    Committee-of-the-Whole gets underway in about 50 minutes. Das agenda:  http://guelphpolitico.blogspot.ca/2017/06/committee-of-whole-preview-whats-on.html … pic.twitter.com/ycxL4SsElH
    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
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    Tue, Jul 04 2017 17:10:04

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Committee is commencing.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 18:00:20

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Regrets from @ward5guelph @PhilAlltWard3 @thatjamesgordon and Karl Wettstein.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 18:01:38

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    @ward5guelph @PhilAlltWard3 @thatjamesgordon Scratch that, Wettstein’s here.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 18:02:02

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    First up: awards. Recognition of Adult School Crossing Guard Program by Employment Coordination Committee to Christine Vettor (1of5)

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 18:03:37

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    2017 Awards of Excellence in Water Efficiency to Jennifer Gilks, Cathy Chaput, Megan Haessler & Jocelyn Kelly for H2Awesome. (2of6)

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 18:04:36

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Wayne Galliher, Jennifer Gilks, Julie Anne Lamberts, Karen McKeown, Laura Mousseau, Emily Stahl, Alicia Wind & Heather Yates…

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 18:05:22

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    …for the 2016 Water Efficiency Strategy Update (3 of 5)

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 18:05:41

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Recognition of Alex Chapman of Climate Change Office, for Renewable Energy Professional accreditation from Asc of Energy Engineers (4of5)

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 18:06:32

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Finally, a presentation from Barb Swartzentruber and Cathy Kennedy of Policy and Intergovernmental Relations office.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 18:14:22

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    This year, the office has taken credit for securing $18 million in provincial and federal funds for #Guelph.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 18:15:10

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Teaser: taxi bylaw review coming in 2018.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 18:18:56

  13. Recent work being done by the Intergovernmental Relations office. https://t.co/m8YeO5sDYs

    Recent work being done by the Intergovernmental Relations office. pic.twitter.com/m8YeO5sDYs
    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
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    Tue, Jul 04 2017 18:21:49

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Among the recent accomplishments, this is the biggest piece of the pie:  http://guelphpolitico.blogspot.ca/2017/03/feds-kicking-in-nearly-10-million-for.html …

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 18:25:01

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Mayor Guthrie says he can’t do his job without Intergovernmental Relations. “Straight up” he adds.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 18:32:10

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie candidly admits that he did not support the idea when it initially came before council.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 18:32:52

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    One item passes by consent: COW-CS-2017.13 Tax Sale Vesting

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 18:37:40

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Cllr Downer asks how new registration rules of 2-unit houses will be reported/recorded.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 18:38:25

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Specifically, how will staff be alerted about ownership changes.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 18:38:51

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Staff: Provision puts onus on the seller and the buyer to make it known to the City. There are penalties in the new bylaw.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 18:39:26

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Ok, @ward5guelph has arrived.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 18:40:42

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Two-Houses registration passes 11-0.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 18:40:57

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Next up is LED Street Lighting. 13,119 street lights looking to change up to LED and save $$$ and energy.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 18:42:27

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Keeping the street lights on costs $1.7 million per year. $1 out of every $5 goes to street lights. Been rising 10% per year.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 18:44:23

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Average cost per person in cities using LEDS: 81.68
    Average cost for those not: 119.68

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 18:47:08

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Consultations included the Royal Astronomical Society. along w/ Enviro Advisory Comm. and @WDGPublicHealth.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 18:49:15

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Cllr Bell has one concern: Pricing. Is Guelph getting the best deal now?

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 18:56:25

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Alex Chapman says there’s no benefit in delaying further; right price now for Guelph to take full advantage of conversion.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 18:57:59

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Incentive programs changing over time, Chapman says that they didn’t want to “over promise and under deliver” hence the costs presented.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 18:58:56

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    City going inventory of its street lamps – how high, placement, etc – and they that info will go to venders for tenders.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 19:08:08

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Piper says when you enter Guelph there is a kind of glow so making an impact on light pollution is important in the conversion.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 19:13:46

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Cllr Hofland talks about feasible time frame.
    Chapman: If started tomorrow – 8-9 months.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 19:17:46

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Next up, a delegation by Brenda Aherne

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 19:18:23

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Aherne says that LED lights in her area have made things brighter. Had to get think curtains for sleeping.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 19:19:43

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    LED lighting not the problem. Unregulated use is problematic, says Aherne.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 19:20:44

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Aherne recommends council set up a bylaw to regulate all outdoor lighting, and that lighting fall under supervision of EAC.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 19:23:12

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Also, offer lighting resources and info on lighting on City website.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 19:23:31

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    No further questions from committee.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 19:24:31

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Urban Design is coming up later in the meeting, Downer will address the issue about bylaw there.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 19:28:03

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    DCAO Clack notes that there’s presently no bylaws about light pollution.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 19:30:46

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Piper agrees with Bell, if city doesn’t get ahead of this private owners will install LED and they may have to “grandfather” bad installs.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 19:32:00

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Amendment to make the lights dark-sky compliant passes 11-0.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 19:36:11

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Recommendation on LED Lighting passes 11-0.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 19:37:48

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Next up: Guelph Active Transportation Network Design Guidelines and Feasibility Study

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 19:38:16

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Staff: study is a result of intensive public consultation and good work within city departments.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 19:40:25

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Cycling Master Plan and Natural Heritage Systems are the two plans that directly informed this one.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 19:42:12

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    The study focused on the off-road network. Project manager Jay Cranstone says Guelph should be complemented for on-road network.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 19:44:29

  48. https://t.co/ouLBcOK47T

    pic.twitter.com/ouLBcOK47T
    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
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    Tue, Jul 04 2017 19:51:18

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Important note: this is not the end of the process. This was the feasibility study, and the development of design guidelines.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 19:53:32

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Goal to create a reliable network and to give residents choices in how people can get around the city.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 19:58:56

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Billings asks about trail near Wellington and the Hanlon, been on the books for a while, but not included in “priority segments”?

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 20:00:50

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Cranstone says it’s “challenging” b/c of all the parties, so more immediate move is the Silvercreek trail.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 20:01:54

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Will also be addressed in the trails master plan. says staff.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 20:02:33

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Focus on study is for existing trails with a couple of links added. Wasn’t that particular trail isn’t feasible in short term.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 20:03:53

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie asks if the trail was there and in use today, would this plan for ATN still be approved?

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 20:05:23

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Staff: Not necessarily. Just in the scope of this work, that opportunity won’t come up in the next 10 years.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 20:05:49

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Costs in report are capital costs, not for new staffing. If new FTE is required that will come up at budget time.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 20:06:53

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Mayor Guthrie asks if there’s anything that can be done on existing signage on trails this year?

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 20:10:06

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Staff: No money in the budget this year. Some little things are being done thru Parks & Rec, but they’ll need more $$ to implement.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 20:10:46

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie says there are some bike lanes he’d rather not see in place, any opportunity for feedback?

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 20:11:29

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Cranstone says on-road and off-road meant to compliment. 60% of respondents said they’d prefer more separation. Guthrie agrees.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 20:13:10

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Piper asks if the funds recommended cover expropriation? Some land in the plan is owned by others, and not the City.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 20:20:53

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Staff: the 12.27M would not include legal costs. That will come up in the regular capital budget process.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 20:21:32

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Piper recalls that part of the money for the Wellington overpass was supposed to fund a trail. Province put that back on City though and…

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 20:22:48

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Piper says public might be concerned that this trailer is still not be considered a priority, and it is. Need to make it more visible.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 20:23:37

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Staff: It’s a priority in the trail master plan, as the other plans are developed they will make sure everything complements.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 20:25:33

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    DCAO Stewart wants to take time to confer with staff about Wellington/Hanlon trail possibilities. Could add fifth recommendation.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 20:29:55

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    In response to Cllr Downer’s Q: the report did look at moving the crosswalk at Riverside Park to line-up with the trail….

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 20:34:02

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    …The original placement of the crosswalk was completely arbitrary anyway. Staff says they’ll look at this with Transit.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 20:34:41

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Also, it’s not cheap to move a crosswalk.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 20:35:04

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    1% of trips per day in the day across all methods of transit, use bikes. Staff calls that “conservative” due to survey methods.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 20:36:43

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Cllr MacKinnon notes that some trails in the south end are not City property, but are common elements to certain developments.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 20:40:27

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Staff says they’ve already partnered with Westminster Woods, and will partner with others where possible.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 20:40:53

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Bell doesn’t understand why Boathouse crossing has highest traffic and yet not included in the plan.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 20:41:58

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Cranstone: It’s one of a number of options that feed into the network development in that area, not a singular priority.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 20:43:15

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Staff: All these plans are integrated, one doesn’t take precedence over the other.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 20:45:51

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    @CathyDowner Yes.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 20:51:17

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    DCAO Stewart suggest we’re “getting into the weeds”, a lot if what’s being discussed comes out of detailed design.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 20:53:46

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    A lot of this, “We won’t know until we get there,” says Stewart.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 20:54:04

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Doesn’t want to “put everything on hold until we learn everything,” says Stewart.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 20:54:46

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Salisbury notes there’s really no connection to the city for areas in the west end south of the railway tracks. Could be decades away.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 21:00:41

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Cranstone: Off road ATN not end all/be all. Meant to compliment on-road, and may have to rely on that in foreseeable future.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 21:01:23

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “My concern that as a guiding document this will become a self-fulfilling prophecy.” – Salisbury.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 21:03:16

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Why would we approve this with an immediate condition to address a specific issue? asks Salisbury. Shouldn’t this go back staff?

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 21:06:11

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Stewart says council has already taken action, all the plans are connected. Process has been underway for years.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 21:07:29

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Salisbury not satisfied. The Hanlon/Wellington connection not shown, thus West end not serviced.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 21:08:48

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gibson asks Salisbury if we can pause to hear from delegates, but Salisbury wants to know if its a viable option to send back to staff.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 21:09:45

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Stewart: It feels like you want to pause everything, but we’ll lose a year if we do.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 21:10:45

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    First delegate: Yvette Tendick of @activeguelph.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 21:11:17

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Tendick also mentions Ward 4 and how it’s cut off from the rest of the city. Residents feel cut off, she says.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 21:15:29

  91. Visual aid: if you're "fit and brave" you can take Wellington. https://t.co/gK7NnFZEw1

    Visual aid: if you’re “fit and brave” you can take Wellington. pic.twitter.com/gK7NnFZEw1
    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
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    Tue, Jul 04 2017 21:17:02

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Next up, Mike Darmon. He’s also a Board member of GCAT.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 21:18:01

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Next up is Patrick Sheridan, we opens with a picture of himself riding through 2 feet of water yesterday on one of the trails.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 21:23:47

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Sheridan makes the point that most of Guelph lives within 2 or 3 kilometres of one of the rivers.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 21:25:47

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Last delegate on this: Bill Mungall of Ontario Trail Council, Hike Ontario, and Guelph Hiking Trail Club. He’s with all 3.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 21:29:21

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gibson turns back to committee, hopeful that consensus can be reached.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 21:34:36

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie asks if this is already funded.
    Staff: On-road upgrades have already been budgeted, the off-road has not been budgeted yet.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 21:35:50

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Data collected during the spring and summer months in terms of use. Guthrie asks if there’s a high demand for use in the winter.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 21:39:01

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Cranstone says he did hear feedback, but it was not “overwhelming”

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 21:39:38

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Downer amendment: to study the movement of pedestrian light at Gordon near Royal City Park.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 21:43:57

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Wettstein says council has started picking their corners and adding amendments. If there’s just this one though, okay.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 21:46:06

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Amendment passes 9-1 (Hofland against).

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 21:46:46

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Salisbury says his goal is to get plan to address connection to West End, asks staff for best way to proceed.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 21:47:25

  104. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    DCAO Stewart: Can incl. amendment to look at Hanlon trail connection, but it would be making it a capital priority….

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 21:48:45

  105. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    … Also, the province has a role in this too. They need to be included in the conversation.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 21:49:14

  106. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Stewart says the $12.2M is for what’s in the report, if committee moves forward with amendment cost will go up.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 21:50:18

  107. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    New amendment to direct staff to include the Hanlon/Wellington connection on the “yellow line”, Billings seconded it

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 21:52:59

  108. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie verifies, that this trail is at top of the list on Trails Master Plan. The only thing missing is the funding portion?

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 21:53:56

  109. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    DCAO Stewart: Yes, put there will be costing studies coming forward for all new developments.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 21:54:51

  110. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Salisbury says there will more debate and discussion, just wanted to make sure *this* was in the guiding document.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 22:00:03

  111. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Wettstein: “I guess I’ll support this one too”, he says.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 22:00:50

  112. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Wettstein says that they don’t want to leave the public with the impression that these are *priority* capital projects.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 22:03:46

  113. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Stewart: It will all come back in the budget process.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 22:04:55

  114. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Salisbury amendment passes 10-0.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 22:05:33

  115. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Piper puts the idea of re-establishing a Trails Advisory Committee.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 22:07:12

  116. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Asking staff to bring forward terms of reference, so this motion would not automatically create a committee.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 22:07:56

  117. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    CAO Thomson notes there is a parks, trail system in master plan. Suggests public services come back with that information.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 22:08:48

  118. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie says this is a “feel good motion”. Guelph once had a trail advisory committee but not now, so what gives?

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 22:10:48

  119. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Hofland says she’s sure that staff would bring back that historical info with terms of reference.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 22:12:26

  120. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Piper withdraws motion and rewords to ask for information report in Q1 2018.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 22:13:19

  121. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Motion passes 10-0

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 22:13:47

  122. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Mackinaw asks how many municipalities maintain winter control on their trail systems?

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 22:15:15

  123. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    The answer is not many, but none do the entire system

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 22:16:11

  124. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Bell thinks the priority should be to remove obstacles instead of focusing on things like paving.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 22:18:25

  125. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Bell says he wants to refer the document back for more consultation with the community, otherwise, he’s got some more amendments.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 22:19:33

  126. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    No seconder to refer the report back to staff.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 22:19:50

  127. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Bell wants to add an amendment then to include grid separation on Victoria Rd as a priority.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 22:20:46

  128. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gibson asks Bell if there’s wording on that motion, and a seconder. No seconder.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 22:21:14

  129. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie wants to add the words “in principal” to clause #1.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 22:22:31

  130. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Downer not sure what that means, Staff said it was a living document, so what’s the difference?

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 22:23:00

  131. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    DCAO Stewart thinks it will complicate things more. The city needs to move forward.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 22:24:21

  132. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie motion fails 2-8. (Guthrie, Billings in favour)

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 22:24:49

  133. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie proposes now to replace “year-round maintenance” in clause #2 for “in-season”

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 22:25:34

  134. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Stewart notes that this is about commuters, and commuters travel all year round. Guthrie notes he *never* hears ppl complain about access.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 22:26:46

  135. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie says this is “city building” not “infrastructure” so has concerns endorsing this. Going to speak to staff “big time” about this.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 22:28:33

  136. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Hofland really wants to move forward with this. Represents a lot of work on the part of staff.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 22:29:25

  137. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Downer points out that this is about walkers too. Easier to walk on clear trails.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 22:31:40

  138. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Wettstein asks if #2 fails, will #4? It will

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 22:32:39

  139. The original 4 recommendations. 3 more have been added (from Downer, Salisbury and Piper) https://t.co/hmmmLQ3jZN

    The original 4 recommendations. 3 more have been added (from Downer, Salisbury and Piper) pic.twitter.com/hmmmLQ3jZN
    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    ·

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 22:33:46

  140. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    MacKinnon will vote against 2 and 4, not doing good enough job on sidewalks already.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 22:34:15

  141. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gibson asks if any councillor brought concerns to staff before hand
    The answer is no.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 22:35:31

  142. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gibson says adding new services creates more issues in addressing infrastructure gap. Will vote for some.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 22:36:07

  143. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Clause #1: Passes 8-1 (Bell, Guthrie against)

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 22:42:59

  144. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Clause #2: Fails 4-6 (Downer, Hofland, Piper and Salisbury for)

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 22:43:38

  145. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Motion to take no action on clause #4: Passes 7-3 (Downer, Hofland, Piper against)

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 22:44:27

  146. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Clause #3: Passes 9-1 (Guthrie against)

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 22:44:47

  147. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Clause # 5, 6 and 7: Pass 10-0.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 22:45:19

  148. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Now a 15 minute break before dealing with the other 5 items on the agenda.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 22:45:50

  149. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Leanne Piper taking over from Dan Gibson, who had to leave to make a flight, as chair.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 23:05:20

  150. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Proceeding to Bell’s questions under the affordable housing incentive file.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 23:05:45

  151. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Requesting $230K more for the reserve account because the rest made up though balance carried over.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 23:06:50

  152. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    The money goes to offsets to a max amount of $70K per unit, per the framework.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 23:07:33

  153. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Staff: this is to help inform the budget, this is not a pre-approval of the budget. Money funds up to 6/half of annual affordable units

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 23:16:35

  154. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Wettstein has a problem with the city taking up slack from feds and province (on affordable housing)…

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 23:19:21

  155. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    …Wants to know if he’s committed to vote for this at budget time (because he won’t).

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 23:19:54

  156. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    CAO Thomson clarifies that this money will be part of an expansion package that comes during budget time.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 23:20:54

  157. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Hofland clarifies: tonight we’re approving the framework, 2018 it’s part of expansion pack, afterward becomes part of base budget.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 23:22:33

  158. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie says council really needs to start thinking of tiny homes. Could house 43 ppl right now for this money.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 23:23:45

  159. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Recommendation passes 9-0

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 23:24:59

  160. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Next up: the Woonerf pilot project. A motion brought forward by Cllr Bob Bell.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 23:25:41

  161. "Woonerf" https://t.co/oDDezlT6BO

    “Woonerf” pic.twitter.com/oDDezlT6BO
    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    ·

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 23:26:59

  162. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Piper points out that there is an identified street, but that’s not part of the motion.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 23:27:58

  163. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    First up, @MikeSchreiner to speak on woonerfs. Was blown away at how community life thrived with woonerfs in Netherlands.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 23:28:51

  164. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “People want to live in connected communities” says Schreiner. Planners catching on b/c we’re recognizing the negative health.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 23:30:03

  165. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Next up, Cas Herold, a Neeve St resident and new arrival to Guelph. He says traffic on his street is 4-to-1 pedestrians to cars

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 23:34:44

  166. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Herold notes that Neeve St needs a lot of work, so get two things done at once and give Woonerf’s a whirl.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 23:36:54

  167. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Maurice Nelischer: “it’s stupid to be councillors there’s so much work” (Meant it as a compliment).

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 23:37:53

  168. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Nelischer is also in favour of Woonerfs.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 23:40:40

  169. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Downer says its a good time to evaluate this with a Transportation plan coming. Who’s been doing this? Has it worked?

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 23:48:08

  170. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie’s gut says skip with the process and engage directly with the residents of Neeve St (although the street’s not named in the motion)

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 23:49:15

  171. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Nelischer says he thinks all residents are in favour of moving forward.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 23:49:40

  172. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie offers amendment that directly mentions Neeve as a pilot, and consultation with residents there.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 23:50:25

  173. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Bell seconds Guthrie’s motion.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 23:51:48

  174. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Wettstein thinks this is a governance issue, and this item shouldn’t be here right now. No budget, no staff report, no exploration.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 23:52:32

  175. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Jumping right to consultation means changing the work plan, which means something else comes off the work plan.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 23:53:18

  176. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Wettstein wants to see this come forward w/ proper process at CoW meet, doesn’t “appreciate” these circumstances.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 23:54:12

  177. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Bell says staff prefer the motion as it appears, and he does too.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 23:55:02

  178. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    For the record though, Bell’s fine doing both at once.

    Tue, Jul 04 2017 23:56:04

  179. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Downer doesn’t want to raise expectations on Neeve St, and wants to wait to hear back from staff before proceeding.

    Wed, Jul 05 2017 00:00:20

  180. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie says he chose his words carefully. Doesn’t commit the city to doing it.

    Wed, Jul 05 2017 00:03:05

  181. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Vote fails 3-6 (Piper, Guthrie and Bell vote in favour).

    Wed, Jul 05 2017 00:03:37

  182. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Vote on the amended main motion: Passes 7-2 (MacKinnon and Wettstein votes against)

    Wed, Jul 05 2017 00:05:45

  183. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Next up: Stormwater Service Fee – Credit Program Feasibility Report.

    Wed, Jul 05 2017 00:06:56

  184. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Staff is recommending a hybrid program of old and new incentives and credits to encourage stormwater management.

    Wed, Jul 05 2017 00:10:10

  185. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Ignore previous references to Neeve St in Woonerf discussion, it was actually New St.

    Wed, Jul 05 2017 00:21:12

  186. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Sainsbury asks what kind of incentives can the city offer when the cost is $48 per year?

    Wed, Jul 05 2017 00:22:07

  187. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Staff: there’s also the investment in the educational component and enhancing that program. Cost savings more significant on non-residential

    Wed, Jul 05 2017 00:23:00

  188. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie asks if staff knows the exact cost of the increase in administration?

    Wed, Jul 05 2017 00:29:46

  189. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    It can be done within an existing program so there’s really no additional cost.

    Wed, Jul 05 2017 00:30:27

  190. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie glad they did the hybrid option, but many he’s talked to other mayors that have implanted this, and not gone well…

    Wed, Jul 05 2017 00:32:44

  191. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    …But they’re not #Guelph he adds.

    Wed, Jul 05 2017 00:33:00

  192. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Staff is asking to take $480K of the $580K surplus to put towards the incentive program thus answering Holland’s concern.

    Wed, Jul 05 2017 00:40:13

  193. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Recommendation passes 7-2 (Billings and Salisbury vote against)

    Wed, Jul 05 2017 00:40:40

  194. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Next up: Senior Urban Designer David degree and the Draft Urban Design Vision and Design Action Plan.

    Wed, Jul 05 2017 00:41:52

  195. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Volume 3, which is pending, will contain standards and directions for the Urban Design Manual

    Wed, Jul 05 2017 00:42:21

  196. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    In the 1st volume, urban design is defined, &it’s described why it’s important in the Guelph context. Urban design principles alss defined

    Wed, Jul 05 2017 00:45:57

  197. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    2nd volume: highlights opportunity areas (places in the city with potential for significant change)…

    Wed, Jul 05 2017 00:46:35

  198. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    …how to strength institutions and activate public space (areas where the City could seek improvement)…

    Wed, Jul 05 2017 00:47:04

  199. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    … and the possible new directions for urban design policy (AKA: the future).

    Wed, Jul 05 2017 00:47:20

  200. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    A final version of the manual will be coming back later this year in either Q3 or Q4.

    Wed, Jul 05 2017 00:56:08

  201. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Downer says this plan is “much more comprehensive and wholesome” than what was brought forward in 2009.

    Wed, Jul 05 2017 00:59:48

  202. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Wettstein puts recommendation on the floor, and wants to add light pollution bylaw.

    Wed, Jul 05 2017 01:01:14

  203. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    DCAO Clack says staff huddled and will bring back a draft recommendation for that bylaw for the July 24 meeting.

    Wed, Jul 05 2017 01:01:47

  204. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    According to Clack, lighting bylaws are tough to enforce, and very few municipalities have them. So uphill we go…

    Wed, Jul 05 2017 01:02:27

  205. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Salisbury says the work on the manual is why we’re Guelph, ON and not Anywhere, ON.

    Wed, Jul 05 2017 01:02:57

  206. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Recommendation passes 9-0.

    Wed, Jul 05 2017 01:03:08

  207. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    2nd last item: Clair-Maltby Secondary Plan Phase One Report and Recommended Vision and Guiding Principles.

    Wed, Jul 05 2017 01:03:32

  208. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    This is a planning/engineering co-project.

    Wed, Jul 05 2017 01:03:48

  209. The area this effects is in the red border. https://t.co/t27XrdYyGJ

    The area this effects is in the red border. pic.twitter.com/t27XrdYyGJ
    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    ·

    Wed, Jul 05 2017 01:05:04

  210. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    5 guiding principles: vibrant & urban, green & resilient, healthy & sustainable, interconnect & interwoven, and balanced & liveable.

    Wed, Jul 05 2017 01:08:47

  211. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Project within scope and on budget. Phase 2 gets rolling in Sept with public visioning exercise. Conceptual structure in Q4 2017.

    Wed, Jul 05 2017 01:18:16

  212. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie asks if there’s any opportunity to move the process along quicker. Might that be up to Mother Nature?

    Wed, Jul 05 2017 01:19:15

  213. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    DCAO Stewart: What the staff can control, they’re already 12 months ahead of schedule.

    Wed, Jul 05 2017 01:19:47

  214. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Completion date of the project, you ask: April 2019.

    Wed, Jul 05 2017 01:20:58

  215. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Staff unable to provide answers on job creation in the plan. They’re waiting 4 new guidelines from the province which are due later this yr.

    Wed, Jul 05 2017 01:29:34

  216. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Senior Policy Planner Stacey Laughlin tells Wettstein that they want this to be a “design exercise” not a question of how many people.

    Wed, Jul 05 2017 01:34:55

  217. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Wettstein says people along Gordon are concern if the number of high-rises may end up blotting out the sun (a jest?).

    Wed, Jul 05 2017 01:35:32

  218. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Phase one report accepted 9-0

    Wed, Jul 05 2017 01:38:24

  219. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Final item: a Bicentennial project.

    Wed, Jul 05 2017 01:38:38

  220. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Bell: #Guelph‘s 200 is in 2027, and planning horizon for any big project is 5-7 years. Let’s start planning…

    Wed, Jul 05 2017 01:39:34

  221. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Things to consider: level of financial support, types of project, historical significance, contrib to the city.

    Wed, Jul 05 2017 01:40:09

  222. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Examples: new park downtown, public/street art, a bridge.

    Wed, Jul 05 2017 01:40:37

  223. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Bell would like to see some kind of public competition for 2019.

    Wed, Jul 05 2017 01:41:22

  224. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “I’m not sure why anyone would be against this?” Bell adds.

    Wed, Jul 05 2017 01:41:45

  225. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Piper asks about a bicentennial reserve created in the 2017 budget.

    Wed, Jul 05 2017 01:42:32

  226. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    DCAO Clack says there’s an item in the work plan, but can’t recall the specific motion.

    Wed, Jul 05 2017 01:42:55

  227. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Downer says this should have been a public services agenda item, not IDE, just a note to be cautious about future agendas.

    Wed, Jul 05 2017 01:44:07

  228. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Downer has concerns, but agrees this is a big thing and should start planning soon.

    Wed, Jul 05 2017 01:44:30

  229. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Wettstein won’t support the referral, but he’s already made his speech on matters like these.

    Wed, Jul 05 2017 01:48:15

  230. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Bell thinks we should be thinking now about the size of the project. In next council it won’t be till 2020/21 this comes up.

    Wed, Jul 05 2017 01:48:50

  231. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    At the same time, he’s fine with the referral, but thinks staff needs to start thinking about “implosion” in budget in 2019.

    Wed, Jul 05 2017 01:50:35

  232. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Piper adds that many items in the capital forecast that could be bicentennial projects: new library, south end rec centre.

    Wed, Jul 05 2017 01:51:35

  233. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Referral passes 8-1 (Wettstein against)

    Wed, Jul 05 2017 01:51:52

  234. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Meeting adjourned. That’s a wrap for committee-of-the-whole, the next one’s in September. Next council meeting on July 10.

    Wed, Jul 05 2017 01:52:50

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