LIVE BLOG: City Council Meeting for May 23, 2017

Published on by Adam A. Donaldson

A short meeting to follow the long weekend. You can click here for the amended agenda from City Hall, and you can click here to read Politico’s preview of tonight’s meeting. For the complete blow-by-blow of tonight’s council meeting, you can follow me on Twitter, or follow along below via Storify.

by
Adam A. Donaldson
Wed, May 24 2017 01:26:53

Guelph City Council Meeting – May 23, 2017

Live blog from the meeting starting at 6:30 pm

  1. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Should be a short #CityCouncil meeting tonight.  http://guelphpolitico.blogspot.ca/2017/05/city-council-preview-whats-on-agenda_14.html …

    Tue, May 23 2017 22:18:58

  2. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Mayor Guthrie is calling the meeting to order.

    Tue, May 23 2017 22:30:24

  3. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie says that thoughts and prayers of council are with the victims of #ManchesterArena

    Tue, May 23 2017 22:32:26

  4. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Cllr @PhilAlltWard3 introduces Holly Reid, a high school student who’s been job shadowing him the last couple of weeks.

    Tue, May 23 2017 22:33:43

  5. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Regrets tonight from @CathyDowner and Cllr Van Hellemond.

    Tue, May 23 2017 22:34:26

  6. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Cllr MacKinnon asks to pull Elementary School Speed Zone – Update for separate vote.

    Tue, May 23 2017 22:35:01

  7. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    CAO Performance Development Plan Process, 6 Mnth Committee of/Whole Recap & Operating Variance Report Surplus and Deficit Allocation pulled

    Tue, May 23 2017 22:36:56

  8. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    There are 4 delegates on 13 Stuart Street: Notice of Intention to Designate Pursuant to Part IV of the Ontario Heritage Act.

    Tue, May 23 2017 22:37:41

  9. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Approval of minutes pass 11-0

    Tue, May 23 2017 22:38:24

  10. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    All consent agenda items passed 11-0

    Tue, May 23 2017 22:39:04

  11. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Cllr Piper merely asks to separate the 3 recommendations under Committee of the Whole update.

    Tue, May 23 2017 22:40:11

  12. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Rec #1: That Guelph City Council Committee of the Whole governance structure remain in place. Fails 5-6.

    Tue, May 23 2017 22:41:33

  13. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “I hope you realize the amount of work that’s going to take place to make this happen,” says Guthrie.

    Tue, May 23 2017 22:41:58

  14. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Allt, Gordon, Hofland, Piper, Salisbury, and Wettstein voted against the continuation of Committee-of-the-Whole

    Tue, May 23 2017 22:42:37

  15. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie asks how this is going to be handled now.

    Tue, May 23 2017 22:42:55

  16. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    City clerk says that his staff will have to figure out a way to transition back to a standing model.

    Tue, May 23 2017 22:43:25

  17. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “It took us sometime to make that transition, it will take us some time to go back,” says Stephen O’Brien.

    Tue, May 23 2017 22:43:49

  18. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Cllr Bell says supporting Recommendation #3 will force council to revisit going back to standing committee anyway.

    Tue, May 23 2017 22:44:53

  19. https://t.co/CZMW7SMciz

    pic.twitter.com/CZMW7SMciz
    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    ·

    Tue, May 23 2017 22:45:19

  20. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Hofland says she would support that calendar year review. Guthrie says clerk will have to come back with ramifications.

    Tue, May 23 2017 22:45:54

  21. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gibson’s asks what happened, 5 councillors decided to change their mind between Committee and now.

    Tue, May 23 2017 22:46:37

  22. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gibson proposes a reconsideration vote. Guthrie offers to let the clerk go away and come back with options.

    Tue, May 23 2017 22:47:39

  23. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie asks O’Brien if any member of council came to him with notice of this vote. O’Brien: No.

    Tue, May 23 2017 22:48:04

  24. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie asks if the work plans of executive teams will be hindered.

    Tue, May 23 2017 22:49:22

  25. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    CAO Thomson says the work of the city has been based on the CotW structure. Will have to look into it.

    Tue, May 23 2017 22:49:50

  26. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    O’Brien adds that notice for upcoming meetings has already been given out, will need to look at what can be/can’t be changed.

    Tue, May 23 2017 22:51:57

  27. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Piper says that when she asked for the separation of the vote she didn’t know the outcome. Always against CotW, wasn’t at May meet.

    Tue, May 23 2017 22:53:05

  28. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Piper says she wants to save the clerk some work, and do motion of reconsideration instead. Notes 2 cllrs absent tonight.

    Tue, May 23 2017 22:53:53

  29. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    CAO and Clerk will now take 5 minutes to confer on the situation.

    Tue, May 23 2017 22:54:22

  30. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    And we’re back…!

    Tue, May 23 2017 23:02:12

  31. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Procedurally, we either let it go, or suspend procedure and do notice of consideration. No meeting in June a possibility.

    Tue, May 23 2017 23:02:49

  32. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    No June Committee meet, that work would be paused, but council meets would continue.

    Tue, May 23 2017 23:03:28

  33. ward6mark

    Mark MacKinnon@ward6mark
    The dictionary needs to be updated with a new definition of the words “irresponsible” and “irrational”. #Guelph #council

    ·

    Tue, May 23 2017 23:04:00

  34. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Council needs 2/3 to suspend procedural rules to reconsider.

    Tue, May 23 2017 23:04:04

  35. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Piper puts the motion on the floor. Seconded.

    Tue, May 23 2017 23:04:49

  36. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Bell offers a potential fourth motion to continue Committee/Whole till the end of the year.

    Tue, May 23 2017 23:05:18

  37. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie says he’d like to deal with the motion in front of council.

    Tue, May 23 2017 23:05:39

  38. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    O’Brien says there’s been a considerable amount of training of staff, “a year and a half” into a transition.

    Tue, May 23 2017 23:06:34

  39. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie: My advice let’s get this open for reconsideration and let what happens happen.

    Tue, May 23 2017 23:07:04

  40. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Cllr Gordon asks if this vote were to happen 6 months from now, would it be the same trauma?

    Tue, May 23 2017 23:08:10

  41. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    O’Brien says they were not prepared for this vote tonight. Would have had timelines prepared about going back at end of the year.

    Tue, May 23 2017 23:08:56

  42. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    O’Brien says there’s a “significant amount of work” coming so he would not recommend suspending June meet.

    Tue, May 23 2017 23:11:53

  43. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gibson asks if reconsideration could be revisited. Two members not here and “I would like their votes back,” says Gibson.

    Tue, May 23 2017 23:12:23

  44. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Council needs 9 of 11 for reconsideration motion. Two-thirds of the *whole* council.

    Tue, May 23 2017 23:13:34

  45. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie aims to stop Gibson about what if scenarios. Wants to take each motion 1 at a time.

    Tue, May 23 2017 23:14:22

  46. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Motion to suspend procedures passed 10-1 (Allt against.)

    Tue, May 23 2017 23:14:48

  47. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Piper moves motion of reconsideration and revote. Doesn’t want to create policy void for next 6 months.

    Tue, May 23 2017 23:15:32

  48. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Wettstein he’s in favour, but the message is that council is not as committed as it needs to be to keep going forward.

    Tue, May 23 2017 23:16:07

  49. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Wettstein says there’s a lot of concern in the survey, not that it means it can’t work.

    Tue, May 23 2017 23:16:40

  50. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Allt also notes his dissatisfaction, and that the motion has point out that council has issues.

    Tue, May 23 2017 23:17:27

  51. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gibson notes that he had to reshuffle his day job to accommodate CotW, but doesn’t want to pull out willy-nilly.

    Tue, May 23 2017 23:18:25

  52. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Salisbury asks if clerk can come back with Plan B at next review. O’Brien says that’s clear.

    Tue, May 23 2017 23:18:49

  53. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    MacKinnon concerned about people changing their decision 15 minutes later without thinking about ramifications.

    Tue, May 23 2017 23:19:48

  54. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Next Steps:
    Is council going to reconsider? (9/11 needed)
    If yes, then revote with simple majority.

    Tue, May 23 2017 23:21:38

  55. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Vote to reconsider passes 11-0

    Tue, May 23 2017 23:21:58

  56. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Recommendation #1 passes 10-1 (Piper against). “Now I’m going to breathe,” says Guthrie.

    Tue, May 23 2017 23:22:58

  57. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Recommendation #3 passes 11-0.

    Tue, May 23 2017 23:23:28

  58. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    And that’s that. Next up: delegations with Rotary’s Canada Day Request- Fireworks and Canada’s 150th Birthday

    Tue, May 23 2017 23:24:28

  59. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    .@MarvaWisdom presenting on behalf of Rotary Club. Now in #Guelph for 99 years.

    Tue, May 23 2017 23:25:24

  60. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Next Rotary event is #CanadaDay fireworks. “Not unlike those in council,” jokes Wisdom.

    Tue, May 23 2017 23:26:15

  61. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Cost of #CanadaDay festivities in park = just over $150K; about $56K after in-kind sponsorships.

    Tue, May 23 2017 23:26:56

  62. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Rotary asking for extra money for fireworks. Just $7,000 short this year and have been struggling to find sponsors for extra fire power.

    Tue, May 23 2017 23:29:28

  63. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie in support, but staff has asked council to figure out where money is coming from.

    Tue, May 23 2017 23:30:19

  64. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Wisdom says that Rotary thought they would qualify for grants, but the Canada Day celebration is actually classified as a fundraiser.

    Tue, May 23 2017 23:32:08

  65. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    …even though they don’t technically raise funds from this event anymore.

    Tue, May 23 2017 23:32:34

  66. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    The $7K means that Rotary will be in deficit. Sponsors aren’t there, could be b/c there may be other #canada150 events looking for sponsors.

    Tue, May 23 2017 23:36:02

  67. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie points out that $5K was set aside for Market Square event, hasn’t been allocated yet.

    Tue, May 23 2017 23:36:41

  68. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Piper adds that $2K could come out of rate stabilization reserve. No precedence b/c its a once 150 year affair.

    Tue, May 23 2017 23:38:01

  69. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Piper makes the motion seconded by Gibson.

    Tue, May 23 2017 23:38:30

  70. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    MacKinnon adds amendment to limit the money to $5K from the Market Square event. No seconder though.

    Tue, May 23 2017 23:39:44

  71. ward5guelph

    Leanne Piper Ward 5@ward5guelph
    @adamadonaldson Consistent, principled votes are always in order.

    ·

    Tue, May 23 2017 23:45:06

  72. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Motion passes 11-0.

    Tue, May 23 2017 23:46:08

  73. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie says that the issues at Rotary has to do with structure of Wellbeing grants. What’s going on there?

    Tue, May 23 2017 23:47:26

  74. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Community benefit grants fund Rotary events and others, technically fundraisers, staff recommend. will be coming back later this year.

    Tue, May 23 2017 23:48:08

  75. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Next up, the delegations on the Stuart Street Heritage matter, First up is Eric Davis on behalf of John and Pamela Rennie
    

    Tue, May 23 2017 23:49:59

  76. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    The Rennies own 13 Stuart St., Davis is asking the matter be deferred, and the process has come forward to council quite quickly.

    Tue, May 23 2017 23:51:01

  77. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    There’s concern that there’s been massive renovations going on inside, Davis says that no demolition permit’s been requested.

    Tue, May 23 2017 23:51:56

  78. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Piper notes that expedited process is a result of concern that demolition was happening in the interior, can Davis say its intent?

    Tue, May 23 2017 23:54:15

  79. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Davis says no plans to demolish, internally it was a mould problem that was being dealt with.

    Tue, May 23 2017 23:54:42

  80. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Davis also notes that heritage designation often refers to the external, not the internal.

    Tue, May 23 2017 23:55:28

  81. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Piper says there’s been reports that every architectural element in the interior has been gutted, even that which would not be mouldy.

    Tue, May 23 2017 23:56:28

  82. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Davis can’t speak to any of that.

    Tue, May 23 2017 23:56:40

  83. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    For clarity, Guthrie asks if the owners will not apply for demolition or touch interior for 30 days?

    Wed, May 24 2017 00:01:18

  84. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Davis says it would take 60 days to get such a permit. Just wants time for his clients to make a decision.

    Wed, May 24 2017 00:01:50

  85. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie asks the last time Heritage Guelph reached out to his clients. Davis: may have been correspondences, not sure when

    Wed, May 24 2017 00:02:43

  86. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Next up, Susan Radcliffe of the Architectural Conservancy of Ontario.

    Wed, May 24 2017 00:03:32

  87. Ratcliffe comments: pic.twitter.com/WHanJFj0J6
    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    ·

    Wed, May 24 2017 00:05:14

  88. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Ratcliffe says that the owners have *not* responded to four correspondences from the city, or requests from media, neighbours.

    Wed, May 24 2017 00:06:18

  89. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gordon asks how this can be avoided. Ratcliffe suggests huge budget increase for Heritage Guelph.

    Wed, May 24 2017 00:09:34

  90. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Kirk Roberts is up next. He’s the man restoring the Petrie and he lives across the street.

    Wed, May 24 2017 00:12:49

  91. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Roberts says that 13 Stuart draws a lot of people who come by to have a gander.

    Wed, May 24 2017 00:13:42

  92. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Roberts says the house is “absolutely” worthy of designation. There is a red stop work order on the door, but back hoes are showing up.

    Wed, May 24 2017 00:14:45

  93. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Last delegation: Ed Sluga

    Wed, May 24 2017 00:17:11

  94. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Sulga says there were no delegations at Heritage meet, but on the same day a back hoe was dismantling the electrical.

    Wed, May 24 2017 00:18:02

  95. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Sulga, a neighbour, says it’s pretty clear that the house is being readied for demolition. Not acting puts the house at risk.

    Wed, May 24 2017 00:18:45

  96. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Piper/Bell move to put both staff recommendations on the floor. Piper calls it a “no-brainer.”

    Wed, May 24 2017 00:19:37

  97. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Piper says time for comment from the property owner is “over”, staff has tried for a while to get in tough with them.

    Wed, May 24 2017 00:21:05

  98. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie says he knows staff has reached out the owner and they have responded.

    Wed, May 24 2017 00:21:49

  99. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    The chief builder has heard from owners since stop work order issued, and after staff report written. Not spoken with Heritage.

    Wed, May 24 2017 00:22:24

  100. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    MacKinnon moves to defer the matter till the June 26 meeting. No seconder.

    Wed, May 24 2017 00:22:40

  101. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie asks when Heritage Guelph has made aware. Many in the city assumed it was already heritage.

    Wed, May 24 2017 00:23:55

  102. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “Why are we here today in such a rush? It seems so obvious to me that this was a heritage home?” asks Guthrie.

    Wed, May 24 2017 00:24:39

  103. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Staff: The City has been active to preserve heritage resources, but done through “private property pride.”

    Wed, May 24 2017 00:25:19

  104. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    In other words: saving Guelph’s heritage has been a self-policing matter.

    Wed, May 24 2017 00:26:13

  105. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    DCAO says they’ve been following proper procedure. No one there in Oct, could get access in Nov and Dec.

    Wed, May 24 2017 00:29:48

  106. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “Things happened in 1904, there’s no way we can no that automatically,” says Stewart on research.

    Wed, May 24 2017 00:30:21

  107. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “A lot of ruckus in the neighbourhood,” says Stewart. Neighbours concerned b/c “they’re up to shenanigans.”

    Wed, May 24 2017 00:31:44

  108. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie asks about the penalty. What happens is they designate tonight and something happens tomorrow?

    Wed, May 24 2017 00:33:16

  109. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Penalties the same for listed and designation. $50K or up to 1 year in prison.

    Wed, May 24 2017 00:33:41

  110. JasonDodgeWard3

    Jason S. Dodge@JasonDodgeWard3
    Thank you GRCA, city staff, naming committee and #Guelph Council for officially recognizing a piece of my grandfather’s legacy. #DodgeLane

    ·

    Wed, May 24 2017 00:35:31

  111. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Allt asks if there’s any potential penalty for utilities for violating full stop work order. (No there ain’t).

    Wed, May 24 2017 00:35:35

  112. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Cllr Billings asks of the owner will have to restore what they might have demolished.

    Wed, May 24 2017 00:36:47

  113. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Staff has been discussing this. Problem is difference btw Ontario Building Code and Heritage definitions.

    Wed, May 24 2017 00:37:16

  114. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Comments. Gibson accepts testimony about intentions but doesn’t want to vilify owners, but the property is worthy of designation.

    Wed, May 24 2017 00:40:00

  115. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gordon asks what move the city can make to be sure “everything’s cool” if the vote is successful.

    Wed, May 24 2017 00:41:26

  116. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    There’s a 30 day appeal period, during which the property will be treated although its designated. But no resources to monitor 24/7

    Wed, May 24 2017 00:42:07

  117. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gordon says owners of the property have lost the trust of the community, so council has to protect it the best we can.

    Wed, May 24 2017 00:42:42

  118. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Allt says Guelph needs to get on with the business of preserving heritage an issue that will more and more important as home buying ^^^

    Wed, May 24 2017 00:43:53

  119. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Piper says it may be time to look at new incentives: tax incentives and penalties for neglect.

    Wed, May 24 2017 00:46:19

  120. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    She thanks the 13 Stuart property owner for bringing this matter to light.

    Wed, May 24 2017 00:46:55

  121. MikeSchreiner

    Mike Schreiner@MikeSchreiner
    Agreed. Province needs to work with municipalities to protect cultural and natural heritage better.  https://twitter.com/adamadonaldson/status/867179920111390720 …

    ·

    Wed, May 24 2017 00:48:40

  122. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Bell says the city should preemptively designate the five heritage properties that need it, and avoid future debates like this.

    Wed, May 24 2017 00:51:44

  123. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Staff recommendations pass 10-1 (MacKinnon against – he wanted to defer).

    Wed, May 24 2017 00:53:05

  124. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Back to Elementary School Speed Zone – Update, and a Q from Bell.

    Wed, May 24 2017 00:53:56

  125. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Bell says there’s issues with speeders on narrow streets, Alice has become detour b/c of York contrux. How long till new speed signs up?

    Wed, May 24 2017 00:54:47

  126. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Staff: Work plan will be initiated immediate. Signs up in Alice area around June.

    Wed, May 24 2017 00:55:23

  127. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    MacKinnon asks for amendment to follow original staff recommend for 40 km/h. No seconder.

    Wed, May 24 2017 00:56:47

  128. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Motion passes 11-0 on new speeds.

    Wed, May 24 2017 00:57:06

  129. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Hofland asks to refer back CAO Performance Development Plan (PDP) Process to staff.

    Wed, May 24 2017 00:58:21

  130. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    No governance committee, so council needs good understanding of this process.

    Wed, May 24 2017 00:58:36

  131. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Motion passes 9-2 (Bell and Billings against).

    Wed, May 24 2017 00:59:26

  132. 2016 Operating Variance Report and Surplus and Deficit Allocation. Wettstein asks for each measure to be separated. https://t.co/qQUAMUklRR

    2016 Operating Variance Report and Surplus and Deficit Allocation. Wettstein asks for each measure to be separated. pic.twitter.com/qQUAMUklRR
    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
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    Wed, May 24 2017 01:00:27

  133. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Salisbury asks what will happen if the motion on point 1 fails, will the $3M surplus be in limbo?

    Wed, May 24 2017 01:02:15

  134. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Staff would need a recommendation from council on what to do then.

    Wed, May 24 2017 01:03:08

  135. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Hofland is a no vote on #1, it’s not prudent to go against staff recommendation.

    Wed, May 24 2017 01:03:50

  136. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie says he hopes the recommendation stays the same, but notes the vote may not go his way.

    Wed, May 24 2017 01:07:01

  137. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gibson says Downer and Van Hellemond both voted in favour, and if vote goes another way “it would be very telling.”

    Wed, May 24 2017 01:07:33

  138. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gibson says council is now in sight of paying off Urbacon debt. $2.6M away from “putting it in the rearview.”

    Wed, May 24 2017 01:08:35

  139. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gibson notes (again) putting money in rate stabilization is an out come tax time to keep rates low and not find savings.

    Wed, May 24 2017 01:09:35

  140. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “The Urbacon things has never been accurately well presented,” says Wettstein. (But he doesn’t want to get into it).

    Wed, May 24 2017 01:10:07

  141. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Staff says rate stabilization reserve is in case of unforeseen issue like recession. That would be first resource.

    Wed, May 24 2017 01:10:46

  142. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    This is how the Committee vote on May 1 shook out.  https://twitter.com/adamadonaldson/status/859185946557902848 …

    Wed, May 24 2017 01:15:56

  143. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Recommendation #1 fails 5-6 (Bell, Billings, Gibson, Guthrie and MacKinnon for).

    Wed, May 24 2017 01:17:19

  144. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    The rest of the recommendations pass unanimously.

    Wed, May 24 2017 01:17:34

  145. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Bell moves for an even split of the surplus between Infrastructure Renewal reserve and Tax Rate Stabilization reserve. Fails along same vote

    Wed, May 24 2017 01:19:08

  146. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Going back to original motion: Infrastructure $76K, $3M to rate stabilization.

    Wed, May 24 2017 01:19:55

  147. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gibson will support, but won’t blame citizens for more cynicism tonight, he will carry more baggage.

    Wed, May 24 2017 01:21:13

  148. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    $76K passes 11-0.
    $3M passes 7-4 (Bell, Billings, Gibson, Guthrie against)

    Wed, May 24 2017 01:21:57

  149. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Bylaws pass 11-0

    Wed, May 24 2017 01:22:07

  150. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    The meeting is adjourned and this surprisingly long council meeting is over. Good night!

    Wed, May 24 2017 01:22:30

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