LIVE BLOG: City Council Meeting for November 3, 2016

Published on by Adam A. Donaldson

Tonight at a special meeting of city council, the contentious topic of infrastructure levies will be discussed as well as potential alternative options. You can click here for the amended agenda from City Hall, and you can click here to read Politico’s preview of tonight’s meeting. For the complete blow-by-blow of tonight’s council meeting, you can follow me on Twitter, or follow along below via Storify.

***Due to Open Sources Guelph ending at 6 pm, please note that there will be a delay between the start of the meeting and the start of the live-blog.

by
Adam A. Donaldson
Mon, Nov 07 2016 16:10:56

Guelph City Council Meeting – November 3, 2016

Live blog from the meeting starting at 6 pm (ish)

  1. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Council meeting tonight! Here’s the Politico preview  http://guelphpolitico.blogspot.ca/2016/11/live-blog-city-council-meeting-for.html … #GuelphBudget

    Thu, Nov 03 2016 19:45:16

  2. cityofguelph

    City of Guelph@cityofguelph
    Big night for #GuelphBudget: approval of non-tax & staff present on capital, infrastructure levy and City Building. Council Chambers 6p.m.

    ·

    Thu, Nov 03 2016 20:52:14

  3. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Okay, I am at the council meeting. The live-blog will begin shortly as I get my bearrings.

    Thu, Nov 03 2016 22:23:28

  4. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    James Krauter, Acting Treasurer, is presently going over programs of work options.

    Thu, Nov 03 2016 22:25:49

  5. Current slide being discussed. https://t.co/dXCS63wB7i

    Current slide being discussed. pic.twitter.com/dXCS63wB7i
    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    ·

    Thu, Nov 03 2016 22:29:44

  6. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Cllr Bell ask about why Emma-Earl Bridge construction been pushed back to 2020.

    Thu, Nov 03 2016 22:31:12

  7. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Bell: It’s important to note that the updates were meant to be in tandem with bike lane construction.

    Thu, Nov 03 2016 22:32:16

  8. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Staff: Bridge is currently under EVA now, construction will take a number of years so it will still be done in tandem.

    Thu, Nov 03 2016 22:32:46

  9. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Cllr Gibson interjects on Contaminated Sites for updates on IMACO redevelopment.

    Thu, Nov 03 2016 22:33:27

  10. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Enviro portion of IMACO: monitoring of site for 20 years, at the point its proved worth and almost time to move to next phase

    Thu, Nov 03 2016 22:34:35

  11. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Remedial strategy and implementation will be next phases.

    Thu, Nov 03 2016 22:34:50

  12. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Combination of remediation and risk assessment techniques for the site, staff says in response to Bell Q.

    Thu, Nov 03 2016 22:36:14

  13. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Cllr Van Hellemond asks about London/Woolwich, Stevenson/Speedvale

    Thu, Nov 03 2016 22:37:01

  14. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Private brownfields are not addressed in this report. Those are private brownfields.

    Thu, Nov 03 2016 22:37:28

  15. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Province has terms and conditions on when to get involved when privately owned brownfield is not remediated.

    Thu, Nov 03 2016 22:37:51

  16. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Downtown Implementation now. Bell asking about pedestrian bridge on river walk.

    Thu, Nov 03 2016 22:38:59

  17. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    City will be paying for upgrades though the extended phase.

    Thu, Nov 03 2016 22:40:14

  18. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Billings asking about implementation of on street parking self-pay machines. The price point is $800K

    Thu, Nov 03 2016 22:41:11

  19. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Billings: Will it be the same way with individual meters?
    Staff: No, 60 machines managing 10-12 spaces each

    Thu, Nov 03 2016 22:42:00

  20. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Council approved the model of moving into a user-pay system. The implications of new machines is the reason for hybrid model of funding

    Thu, Nov 03 2016 22:43:05

  21. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    $1.2 M in revenue potential from the new meters, but that’s not going to cover 73% pf the cost for new lot.

    Thu, Nov 03 2016 22:44:39

  22. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Some confusion about the implementation of the new parking…

    Thu, Nov 03 2016 22:46:53

  23. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Cllr Downer says the DT Board is supposedly looking at options.

    Thu, Nov 03 2016 22:47:32

  24. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Cartwright: His understanding that council directed staff to look at phased in paid parking in the downtown.

    Thu, Nov 03 2016 22:48:01

  25. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Reporting still has to be done thru ’17, but looking for capital funds to start preparing the process.

    Thu, Nov 03 2016 22:49:12

  26. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Staff: It is changing quickly b/c there are so many applications out there. The meters are hardware, its the software that’s always changing

    Thu, Nov 03 2016 22:49:54

  27. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Planning to install in fall of 2018.

    Thu, Nov 03 2016 22:50:05

  28. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Downer says she thought she voted for the idea that performance measures had to be met before moving forward.

    Thu, Nov 03 2016 22:50:46

  29. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie asks Clerk to recall minutes of the meeting.

    Thu, Nov 03 2016 22:51:16

  30. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Motion asked for the performance measurements to be done, while giving staff flexibility of timing for implementation.

    Thu, Nov 03 2016 22:52:25

  31. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Downer requests that the report be taken back to the DT advisory committee too.

    Thu, Nov 03 2016 22:53:21

  32. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Staff: Procurement will be delayed for as long as possible, but they won’t be installed until all stakeholders consulted

    Thu, Nov 03 2016 22:54:30

  33. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Now on to Downtown Infrastructure renewal, and Full Corridor reconstruction…

    Thu, Nov 03 2016 22:57:11

  34. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gibson concerned about engineering hurtles on Yord Rd project before getting to Vic Rd and Watson stretch.

    Thu, Nov 03 2016 22:57:57

  35. Here's the map of York Ed reconstruction. https://t.co/uF9sDHRiD5

    Here’s the map of York Ed reconstruction. pic.twitter.com/uF9sDHRiD5
    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    ·

    Thu, Nov 03 2016 22:59:11

  36. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gibson disappointed that the detailed design of the new corridor is held over till 2018, but asks about commercial redevelopment studies

    Thu, Nov 03 2016 23:01:22

  37. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Staff: A number of pieces going on in the background that will support timeline of York Rd redevelopment.

    Thu, Nov 03 2016 23:01:47

  38. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Cllr MacKinnon asks about construction signs on York Rd that says construction is finished tomorrow…

    Thu, Nov 03 2016 23:03:50

  39. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Staff: He may be thinking of lower Wyndham, York Rd work will continue thru December.

    Thu, Nov 03 2016 23:04:17

  40. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Staff confirms, York Rd will not be open for the weekend.

    Thu, Nov 03 2016 23:04:33

  41. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    MacKinnon has a question about outdoor spaces.

    Thu, Nov 03 2016 23:05:55

  42. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    MacKinnon about Orin Reid park (on Goodwin Dr) getting pushed back again. A lot of people looking forward to it.

    Thu, Nov 03 2016 23:07:14

  43. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Two phases of Orin Reid done, but other park priorities.

    Thu, Nov 03 2016 23:07:41

  44. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    MacKinnon asks why not just cancel the other phases.

    Thu, Nov 03 2016 23:07:57

  45. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    DCAO Clack says its rolling a process, but the gap is only every getting bigger.

    Thu, Nov 03 2016 23:08:28

  46. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    MacKinnon says the expectation is creating anger. “Can we not be so optimistic when we’re planning spaces?”

    Thu, Nov 03 2016 23:09:38

  47. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    CAO Thomson says its complicated. Development charges on forecasted basis, capital and development funds creating problems at both ends

    Thu, Nov 03 2016 23:10:35

  48. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    MacKinnon asks if maybe this is more of a communication issue then?

    Thu, Nov 03 2016 23:11:53

  49. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Salisbury asking about the construction of a bike park. Might not happen till ’19, but he notes busy skatepark.

    Thu, Nov 03 2016 23:14:30

  50. ward6mark

    Mark MacKinnon@ward6mark
    Staff recommending pushing back final phase of Orin Reid Park in #Ward6 from 2017 to beyond 2021. (ie. no Westminster Woods splash pad)

    ·

    Thu, Nov 03 2016 23:18:10

  51. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Cllr Van Hellemond: “I don’t speak much, so…”

    Thu, Nov 03 2016 23:19:18

  52. More open space investments proposed for Eastview Community Park & Cedarvale Ave Parkette in #East #Guelph for 2017 pic.twitter.com/ktRe5xOI7f
    Dan Gibson@Ward1Guelph

    ·
    ·

    Thu, Nov 03 2016 23:21:18

  53. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Any community engagement process for park design is about $100K.

    Thu, Nov 03 2016 23:21:23

  54. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gibson asks about road resurfacing in Starwood/Watson Rd area. City applied for federal funding for 5 blocks, but unsuccessful

    Thu, Nov 03 2016 23:23:19

  55. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Bell asks about Eastview construction in ’17, assumes there will be public info centre, timing seems compressed.

    Thu, Nov 03 2016 23:24:06

  56. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Staff: project being designed in-house and already underway. An open house prior to construction could take place in early spring

    Thu, Nov 03 2016 23:25:12

  57. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Staff will work on making South End Rec Centre to make it shovel ready for federal money, but pushed back another year…

    Thu, Nov 03 2016 23:26:19

  58. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    More news on South End Rec Centre will be coming up shortly. Stay tuned.

    Thu, Nov 03 2016 23:26:45

  59. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Transit Growth Strategy funded at $0.

    Thu, Nov 03 2016 23:28:42

  60. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Staff: There’s nothing budgeted in ’17 that’s why there’s a 0, to answer Bell’s Q

    Thu, Nov 03 2016 23:29:28

  61. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Bell: No money from the Feds for this year’s transit?
    Clack: New buses next year, previous funding, that’s it.

    Thu, Nov 03 2016 23:30:09

  62. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    There was 5 components including shelters, pads, signals and new fare boxes as well as buses.

    Thu, Nov 03 2016 23:31:07

  63. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    A new bus costs about $500K BTW

    Thu, Nov 03 2016 23:31:51

  64. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Piper asks about the “spine route” in the Growth Strategy, it had significant potential for releasing over-capacity.

    Thu, Nov 03 2016 23:32:30

  65. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Clack: Majority of that spending is operating budget. Not being recommended in ’17 due to “other budget pressures”

    Thu, Nov 03 2016 23:32:59

  66. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Piper says the new routes were part of renegotiation of UPass with CSA. IS there any contractual obligation.

    Thu, Nov 03 2016 23:34:01

  67. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Clack unsure. will be have to look into it.

    Thu, Nov 03 2016 23:34:18

  68. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Clack: there are 4 new buses that have arrived, replacement buses budgeted for this year.

    Thu, Nov 03 2016 23:34:55

  69. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    MacKinnon: We’ve intensified Gordon, no transit solutions. What can be done?

    Thu, Nov 03 2016 23:35:22

  70. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Clack says they can report back, more operating budget convo than capital.

    Thu, Nov 03 2016 23:35:55

  71. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gibson asks about 7K lost trees over the next decade.

    Thu, Nov 03 2016 23:37:31

  72. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Staff might be closer to 8K, most in forest conditions so no need to replant. #Lifewillfindaway.

    Thu, Nov 03 2016 23:38:08

  73. PhilAlltWard3

    Phil Allt@PhilAlltWard3
    Up to $750,000 to purchase one city bus.@adamadonaldson @OnwardWillow @guelphtransit – the reality of living in a growing city.

    ·

    Thu, Nov 03 2016 23:38:35

  74. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Bell: with 1/3 of capital for vehicles and equipment. Looking for historical perspective (10 years)

    Thu, Nov 03 2016 23:39:50

  75. FYI: Apparently, Rogers Guelph is live-streaming the meeting. Doesn't start on cable till 9 pm. https://t.co/vtn61wJmCj

    FYI: Apparently, Rogers Guelph is live-streaming the meeting. Doesn’t start on cable till 9 pm. pic.twitter.com/vtn61wJmCj
    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    ·

    Thu, Nov 03 2016 23:42:39

  76. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “I was going to ask how much firetruck costs but I think its more than a bus,” remarks Allt.

    Thu, Nov 03 2016 23:46:10

  77. PhilAlltWard3

    Phil Allt@PhilAlltWard3
    Without grants to replace vehicles, Guelph could not replace its vehicles.@adamadonaldson .@thatjamesgordon Modern times, modern $$$$

    ·

    Thu, Nov 03 2016 23:48:17

  78. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Wastewater collection and Water distribution the last two items.

    Thu, Nov 03 2016 23:49:31

  79. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Staff is recommending that this all be referred to the Dec 7 budget meeting.

    Thu, Nov 03 2016 23:50:14

  80. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    We’re going to hear from Susan Watson before breaking.

    Thu, Nov 03 2016 23:50:47

  81. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Watson says there are a lot of question about how growth costs the city.

    Thu, Nov 03 2016 23:51:37

  82. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Watson says its important for council to understand development #’s as it determines how we grow, what we can observe and afford.

    Thu, Nov 03 2016 23:54:02

  83. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    What’s staff to report back on the cost of growth, need to identify the big leaks diverting money away from future projects.

    Thu, Nov 03 2016 23:54:51

  84. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    If we can afford a lot of food waste, we can afford and infrastructure levy, says Watson.

    Thu, Nov 03 2016 23:55:45

  85. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    No Qs from council for Watson.

    Thu, Nov 03 2016 23:56:05

  86. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie confirms that review was done with DCAO Amarosi.

    Thu, Nov 03 2016 23:56:33

  87. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    5 minute break now.

    Thu, Nov 03 2016 23:56:39

  88. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    1 minute warning…

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 00:04:58

  89. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie calls the meeting back to order.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 00:06:14

  90. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Ted Pritchard from the Fair Tax Campaign next delegation.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 00:07:05

  91. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Pritchard is a Guelph condo owner, and is speaking on behalf of other owners that want fair waster service.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 00:08:06

  92. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    According to Pritchard, 50% of condo owners pay taxes for solid waste, but don’t get the service. Paying twice for collection basically

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 00:08:38

  93. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Pritchard looking at purchase of multi-res vehicle for 2018, will allow pick up at 80% of condos, but why wait?

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 00:09:26

  94. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Brantford and Brampton currently use these vehicles.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 00:10:32

  95. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    What happens if the city buys the truck and condos don’t want the service? Or what happens if they all want it? Pritchard asks.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 00:11:42

  96. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Pritchard asking that the multi-res collection truck be bought in 2017

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 00:12:38

  97. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Pritchard says 1 property manager (a good sample) had 68 condo corps – 2,500 owners – 700 units unable to use city collection

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 00:13:50

  98. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Those 700 got city waste collection till the switch over to cart system in other words.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 00:14:24

  99. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Bell asks for clarity: no resistance to going with the 3 stream?

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 00:16:00

  100. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Pritchard: there was resistance but ppl brought on side, same could be done for condo owners

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 00:16:31

  101. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Next up, Yvette Tendick of @activeguelph

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 00:17:51

  102. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Woodlawn multiuse path already being enjoyed by people, but there are delays with hydro poles not being moved yet.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 00:20:47

  103. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “Elephant feet”, crosswalk lines that tell cyclists they can continue and not have to get off their bike, are faded in many places

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 00:21:52

  104. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Salisbury says a lot of the finishing work referenced will be completed soon.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 00:23:11

  105. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Next up Pat Fung, Guthrie says he thanks the respectful delegations so far.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 00:23:49

  106. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Fung wants to talk about the levy, so we go to @WilliamsMarty instead.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 00:24:13

  107. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Williams says he was surprised to see the parking commitment in the budget

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 00:24:57

  108. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Williams says the ppl he represent are very nervous about the “implementation” mentions. Thought there would be discussions 1st.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 00:25:42

  109. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    DT believes the $800K should not be spend this year. None of the caveats they’ve created have come to pass. Still lots of work to do.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 00:26:16

  110. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    WIlliams urges council to remove it till the parking master plan is done.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 00:27:27

  111. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “How do you tell ppl that they can’t come here? They don’t park downtown just for fun.” – Williams

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 00:28:19

  112. PhilAlltWard3

    Phil Allt@PhilAlltWard3
    Marty Williams $800,000 for parking meters in downtown Guelph is premature.@DowntownGuelph @adamadonaldson @Bookshelfnews

    ·

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 00:28:59

  113. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie asks if Williams will commit to getting to a conclusion as soon as possible when the process commences.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 00:29:20

  114. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Williams says yes. They just want to go through the process first.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 00:29:36

  115. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Doug Minett of the Downtown Advisory Board now talking.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 00:31:19

  116. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Wilson St parkade moving along “nicely” but there’s issues with moving on parking review quickly.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 00:32:09

  117. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Minett suggests that the $800K go to making sure the parkade opens on time. It’s a complicated project.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 00:33:04

  118. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Now vote to refer all this to the Dec 7 meeting.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 00:34:55

  119. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Bell with comments on parking. Finds it disturbing that DT BofM are trying to change the rules of the game.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 00:37:18

  120. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Parkers supposed to pay 73% of parking master plan. If they want to delay, council should consider not retendering the garage.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 00:37:47

  121. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “I don’t want to be caught in a position where we’ve committed to building a parking garage and that the parkers were going to fund it…”

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 00:38:39

  122. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “…only for things to change.” Bell

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 00:38:54

  123. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Cartwright: We’re trying to make best effort to get the request for proposal back into the market for Xmas time.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 00:39:50

  124. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    DCAO Stewart: to not tender will have to be a clear direction from council

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 00:42:26

  125. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Wettstein says Wilson parkade was identified as high priority project to get done for 17. Needs to be done *b4* on street parking reconsider

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 00:48:25

  126. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie steps in says he’s not turning this into a parking/Wilson parkade debate tonite.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 00:49:14

  127. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “Seeds have planted, they need to be answered.” -Gibson

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 00:49:53

  128. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gibson asks “elephant in the room” if next year is fully funded are we still falling behind on the gap?

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 00:50:29

  129. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Thomson: We’re shifting priorities to take care of things w/o raising taxes for the citizens.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 00:51:02

  130. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Thomson: if Guelph were not getting grant money or getting reduction in gas tax, it would be different capital budget.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 00:53:12

  131. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Bell wondering if section of multi use path btwn Nicklin Rd and Trans-Canada Trail funded. It’s about 200 feet.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 00:54:26

  132. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Multi use path from Imperial to Elmira will be coming in 2018.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 00:56:31

  133. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Bell asks how much it would be to complete that section. (To be answered later).

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 00:57:11

  134. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Thomson says staff should be congratulated for $20 M in new grant money in 2017.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 00:58:36

  135. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “We have high hopes that we will continue to receive grant money from the federal and provincial government.”

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 00:59:38

  136. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    MacKinnon notes that the amount Guelph’s investing in capital has dropped. Same btwn 16 and 17, but $20 M in grants

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 01:00:47

  137. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    MacKinnon: “We’re really not stepping up with our share of the funding aren’t we?”
    Thomson: “Short answer, yes.”

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 01:01:53

  138. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “We have not been funding capital to the rate that we should be thats why you have that second report in front of you tonight.” Thomson

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 01:02:29

  139. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Wettstein: Fully funding for 2017 = not increasing gap, right?

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 01:03:31

  140. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Staff: Nope, still does.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 01:03:59

  141. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Confusion over the definition of “fully funded”

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 01:04:32

  142. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    There will be some definitions in the infrastructure levy report.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 01:04:53

  143. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie asks for clarity on multi-res waste collection and whether it will be included in service review.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 01:06:44

  144. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Staff: Yes.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 01:06:50

  145. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    DCAO Stewart says the review will deal with broader strokes, will answer whether an extra truck is needed. This will be back Q3/Q4 2017

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 01:08:21

  146. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Report received 12-0. Next Up, Infrastructure Renewal Levy presentation.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 01:09:04

  147. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    City recommending 0.5% levy compounded over 10 years. Decision “has not come easy” says Thomson.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 01:10:02

  148. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    If council were to divert the entire 2017 operating budget to infrastructure it would still not be enough to close the gap.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 01:11:53

  149. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Levy is not a “magic wand”. Took generations to get here, will take generations to address it.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 01:12:18

  150. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    It would cost $.4 B to replace infrastructure today.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 01:13:11

  151. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Urgent projects funded, while new needs added to the backlog.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 01:14:35

  152. Pretty straight forward. https://t.co/ZEIJnZqHdT

    Pretty straight forward. pic.twitter.com/ZEIJnZqHdT
    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    ·

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 01:15:45

  153. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Increasing backlog represents more risk to the public, says report.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 01:16:27

  154. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Greg Clark, Program Manager, Capital Accounting and Planning now addressing council

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 01:17:41

  155. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    If City does nothing, it might not have the money to take advantage of provincial and federal grants.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 01:19:05

  156. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    The infrastructure gap may eventually start to negatively impact the City’s credit rating.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 01:20:23

  157. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “Staying on this path does not address this issue,” says Clark.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 01:21:17

  158. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    The magic of the animated cash flowing out of the tub facet was somewhat lost b/x of tech issues.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 01:22:56

  159. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Spending $5 today might save $10 tomorrow, says Clark.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 01:24:48

  160. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    With the levy, the backlog will continue to to increase for next couple of years, but it will peak and start to go down.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 01:29:20

  161. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    DCAO Stewart is wrapping up the presentation. “Council can decide to fix the burden rather than defer to next generation.”

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 01:31:39

  162. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie wants to open floor to delegations before council discussion. First up, Pat Fung.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 01:32:37

  163. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Fung is quoting internet comments from Trib article.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 01:33:20

  164. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “Why didn’t staff find $1.1 M in administration?” asks Fung. Points out how he “found” half a million in communications.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 01:34:20

  165. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “Every department in [City] should cut spending by 5%”, Fung quoting one internet comment.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 01:34:54

  166. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    No Qs from council for Fung.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 01:35:03

  167. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Glen Tolhurst up next.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 01:35:15

  168. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “I’m first going to share the parable of the Candle, the Nose and the Tent”…

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 01:35:50

  169. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Moral of the story: Camels will soon take over Guelph

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 01:36:56

  170. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Not sure where Tolhurst is getting this, but according to him some councillor suggested a reverse mortgage to pay homeowner taxes (???)

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 01:39:42

  171. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    No Qs for Tolhurst. I have many.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 01:40:01

  172. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Rena Ackerman up now completing the Gerry Barker trilogy.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 01:40:33

  173. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Ackerman says she and husband on fixed income and levy will have negative impact on retirees.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 01:40:55

  174. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “Council needs to stop taking annual increase. You probably justify them by saying they’re small increases, but they compound.” Ackerman

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 01:41:53

  175. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    A big bite out of her pocket as opposed to “the university professors” and “business managers” that live here – Ackerman.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 01:42:38

  176. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Ackerman is suggesting that city should recruit retired financial analysts to make budget decisions.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 01:44:00

  177. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    No Qs for Ackerman.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 01:44:10

  178. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie now moves to questions, and questions only.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 01:44:24

  179. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gordon notes difference between fully funded and sustainable funding.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 01:45:02

  180. activeguelph

    GCAT@activeguelph
    Thanks for the tweet! Council still committing $$ to active transpo, now lets make sure current AT facilities are as safe as they can be!  https://twitter.com/adamadonaldson/status/794332796592488448 …

    ·

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 01:46:04

  181. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Amarosi says they understand the burden on taxpayers, but its their option that they have to start somewhere.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 01:46:16

  182. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    The higher the levy the fast you get to sustainability, says Amarosi, but 2% will really hurt citizens he says.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 01:47:12

  183. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Council has opportunity every year to continue the .5% or offsetting it, says Amarosi. Not set in stone.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 01:48:20

  184. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gordon says the decision is to see if there’s a public appetite for sustainability.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 01:50:43

  185. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Amarosi: Staff have given their best professional suggestion to deal with capital backlog.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 01:51:40

  186. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Lots of infrastructure come to end of life at the same time, no way this could have been foreseen, Amarosi.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 01:52:02

  187. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “You have an opportunity to fund capital differently,” says Amarosi.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 01:52:43

  188. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie wonders what the impact of .5% would be one an average detached home? Asks staff to research that.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 01:53:19

  189. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Amarosi says he can, but its based on 2016 assessments and there will be reassessments in 2017.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 01:54:14

  190. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    MPAC assessment cycle ends in 2016, new cycle begins in 2017.  https://www.mpac.ca 

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 01:55:02

  191. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    .5% is approx. $5 per $100k in assessment on annual basis says Krauter.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 01:56:47

  192. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gibson, I have every desire to put money in the tub, but who quickly can this be corrected?

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 01:57:41

  193. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Van Hellemond wonders of the thought process of ppl here is different than past council. Getting clarity on the numbers.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 02:00:58

  194. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    MacKinnon asks if we’re using better data to identify the backlog.
    Staff: Yes, new data will be available in the new year.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 02:02:01

  195. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    MacKinnon: How do we know the levy is going to get us closer to closing the gap?

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 02:02:56

  196. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Staff: A conservative estimate, infrastructure report card update in Feb ’17 will have up to date numbers.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 02:03:31

  197. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    The funding gap, and the backlog, may increase with updated numbers.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 02:04:22

  198. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Staff points out that 2012 report incl water, wastewater, stormwater. Those gaps have been partially closed in last 4 years.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 02:05:37

  199. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    The more we transfer from operating to capital puts pressure on the operating budget, says Amarosi.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 02:07:48

  200. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Would have resulted in an increase that “most of you wouldn’t have liked very much.” he adds.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 02:08:20

  201. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “Fully funded” means the projects in the 2017 capital budget are funded. Full stop.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 02:09:36

  202. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Wettstein notes there’s an opportunity to do something, it’s a significant culture shift: don’t do what previous staff said/coouncil’s did.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 02:14:00

  203. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Wettstein notes that there’s been a culture of uploading from the upper levels of gov recently.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 02:14:38

  204. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “We’re going to have to do our job” Staff not suggesting to cut infrastructure to keep taxes lower.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 02:15:30

  205. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie asks for comments, notes there’s another presentation.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 02:16:27

  206. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    The referral is on the floor. Bell comments that he sees need for gap and reserves, but they need separate measures.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 02:17:16

  207. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Bell blames staff: You guys brought us increased spending and operating budget, now you’re wanting infrastructure back in

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 02:18:46

  208. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie: “You know this, but it’s council decision.”

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 02:19:07

  209. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Bell” “It’s impossible to make this recommendation without staff!”

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 02:19:27

  210. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Bell: “You’re just asking for a levy without the instruments to rein in operating!”

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 02:20:22

  211. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie to Bell: “I’d love for you to stop using the word ‘you'”

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 02:21:00

  212. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie: “At the end of the day, the decision lies with us around the horseshoe.”

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 02:21:29

  213. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Bell says he would like to see one year, 2% not tied to infrastructure., to see how it would work.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 02:22:23

  214. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Bell wants to see staff by reducing by a similar amount.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 02:23:22

  215. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    MacKinnon says its about operating and not capital. Fixing the roof of your house is not an optional thing.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 02:24:41

  216. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    All the services are affordability issues, even some capital projects are too, but infrastructure renewal is not optional – MacKinnon

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 02:25:31

  217. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    MacKinnon says .5% is “incredible tame”

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 02:26:05

  218. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Wettstein agrees with Ward-mate MacKinnon. Staff have bene bold, and done so over the years.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 02:27:32

  219. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “Staff are not, in my opinion, accountable for council decisions.” Wettstein.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 02:28:37

  220. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Wettstein: “Asset management wasn’t a term used at council 5 years ago.”

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 02:29:41

  221. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gibson congratulates staff, but the message is clear that there’s structural deficits in infrastructure.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 02:31:02

  222. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gibson: 1 trepidation is that council has finally got serious about service rationalization. Could funnel savings to infrastructure.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 02:32:10

  223. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gibson: Raising taxes will be felt hardest on middle income, lower income ppl. How will they be helped in this budget?

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 02:33:20

  224. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gibson challenges colleagues to find the money to help close the gap.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 02:33:48

  225. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Billings clarified that city is putting $4.2 M next year on stormwater vs $4.6 M in ’16. Where’s the boldness when spending less?

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 02:35:20

  226. WilliamsMarty

    Marty Williams@WilliamsMarty
    “@adamadonaldson: Bell with comments on parking. Finds it disturbing that DT BofM are trying to change the rules of the game.” But no Qs? 👎

    ·

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 02:35:37

  227. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Downer says out of every dollar in taxes in Ontario, 9 cents goes to cities. 4.5 after school boards et al.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 02:36:46

  228. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    This is not a Guelph issue, all across country, says Downer. Even Mississauga, one of the wealthiest communities in Canada,

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 02:37:31

  229. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “Future generations will thank us” says Allt.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 02:37:59

  230. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie separating the referrals. Some confusion on that point

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 02:38:50

  231. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Nope, the whole report to be referred as one. Guthrie not happy about 10 years.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 02:39:17

  232. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Report referred 11-1 (Bell lone vote against).

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 02:39:40

  233. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Motion to go past 11. But now a 5 minute break.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 02:40:17

  234. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Council is ready to come back, but Guthrie and Bell are talking behind closed doors…

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 02:50:28

  235. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Okay, back to it.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 02:50:59

  236. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Next presentation: Financial Implications of City Building Projects on Capital Budget.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 02:51:33

  237. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Less than 10% of capital budget is dedicated to city building projects.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 02:52:46

  238. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    City building projects total $120 million.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 02:53:15

  239. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Still future costs to endure. Example, no south end rec centre, money still has to go to other rec centres to accommodate.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 02:53:55

  240. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    For South End Rec Centre total cost would be $60M. 80% would be recouped from development charges.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 02:57:13

  241. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Staff suggests city move to phase 1 with the detail planning, $684K, to make the project shovel ready by 18, could be 17 if council wants

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 02:59:24

  242. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Now Downtown Implementation, “keeping the momentum going”

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 03:02:04

  243. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    DCAO Stewart: City needs to show leadership on downtown project to attract partners. Set up workshop in new year about cost.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 03:04:23

  244. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    DCAO Amarosi: If these projects are a priority to the City, then it has to start taking steps on city building.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 03:06:15

  245. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie asks council to stick with questions given the hour.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 03:06:57

  246. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Clack: DCs not tied to a single project, they’re collected for the whole.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 03:08:02

  247. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Financial: South Rec Centre also meant to address future growth in the city too.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 03:08:27

  248. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Salisbury wonders about the purpose of a workshop. These topics have been “talked to death” he says.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 03:09:24

  249. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Stewart: the point is to ask if this is still a realistic plan? Talk about the realities costing these things out.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 03:10:11

  250. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    MacKinnon: Can staff carry out Phase 1 and discussion of Phase 2 in 2017?
    Staff: Yes.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 03:10:42

  251. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gordon wonders about the cost of not moving forward, what are the repercussions?

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 03:12:57

  252. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Thomson: there’s escalation costs on projects not built, impact on DC charges & how they’re collected, have to figure out our portion

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 03:14:32

  253. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    A small portion of DCs – $1.678M – went to Vic Road Rec renovations.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 03:16:47

  254. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Clack says projected costs are much higher, and that’s the number Billings might have received.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 03:17:48

  255. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Council refers report 11-1 (Bell votes against again).

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 03:18:09

  256. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Council now passing the bylaws. First up #1 and #3. Passes 12-0

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 03:19:08

  257. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Vote on bylaw #2 stormwater, passes 11-1 (Billings votes against).

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 03:19:36

  258. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie thanks staff for work today.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 03:19:48

  259. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    November 23 meet was dedicated to expansion/reductions, but staff says there’s not enough to discuss for that whole meeting. Added to Nov 9

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 03:20:36

  260. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Nove 23 meeting cancelled.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 03:20:47

  261. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie wants focus on intent, clarity Qs, and asks council to keep that frame of mind.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 03:21:25

  262. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie does not want to entertain any surprise motions on the night of budget. (Includes himself)

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 03:22:02

  263. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Wants all motions in advance so staff can have the answer/impact ready.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 03:22:21

  264. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Finally, reminds public of his town halls. 2 in person, 1 Facebook live. Tues Nov 15, 22, 29.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 03:23:08

  265. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Ward 6 town hall on Nov 17 at south emergency centre from 7-9 pm

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 03:23:33

  266. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Council is adjourned.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 03:23:46

  267. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    FYI: Bradley Breedon will be live tweeting Wednesday budget meetings from this feed. Stay tuned.

    Fri, Nov 04 2016 03:24:26

 

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