LIVE BLOG: City Council Meeting for October 24, 2016

Published on by Adam A. Donaldson

Tonight’s meeting will be mostly about Guelph Municipal Holdings Inc, and the responding to the Province’s review of Places to Grow. To follow all the action starting at 5 pm, you can click here for the amended agenda from City Hall, and you can click here to read Politico’s preview of tonight’s meeting. For the complete blow-by-blow of tonight’s council meeting, you can follow me on Twitter, or follow along below via Storify.

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Adam A. Donaldson
Fri, Sep 01 2017 19:22:05

Guelph City Council Meeting – October 24, 2016

Live blog from the meeting starting at 5 pm

  1. Preview of tonight's #Guelph City Council meeting: https://t.co/fMi8rkguVV https://t.co/xWgKZFV4YR

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
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    Mon, Oct 24 2016 18:37:22

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    City council meeting about to begin. Part 1 is council as shareholder for Guelph Municipal Holdings.

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 21:00:47

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    But first we’re going in camera.

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 21:01:08

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Council update, still in the closed session. Stand by…

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 21:18:58

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Looks like we’re back to the open meeting.

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 21:30:09

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Mayor Gurthrie just said “Ok folks” so it’s about to go down.

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 21:32:24

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Direction was given to staff on a matter of a correspondence of a personal nature.

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 21:32:58

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guelph CAO @CogDerrick will present Rationalization of GMHI Corporate Structure

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 21:33:34

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “Clarifying roles and responsibilities at a critical time, optimizing value of City’s energy assets thru transparent and inclusive process”

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 21:34:51

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Thomson: Apparent that the structure couldn’t meet council’s objectives.

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 21:35:18

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Step #1: Transfer of control of Guelph Hydro to City of Guelph

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 21:35:51

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Step #2: Deferring active operations of GMHI

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 21:36:07

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Step #3: Oversight of Envida and Strategies and Ops committee goes to City management.

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 21:36:49

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    New shareholder declaration will have to be done to reflect the new reporting structure.

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 21:37:40

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    First update will be coming in January 2017.

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 21:38:08

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Cllr Piper asks if Thomson is aware of any other municipalities have “evolved” or “devolved” from similar GMHI-type structure.

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 21:39:28

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Staff: Build in Toronto a similar idea, but doesn’t know where they are.

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 21:39:49

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Cllr Salisbury wants to understand the rationale of the direction and better understand impact on future biz activity.

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 21:40:57

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Salisbury concerned that time/expense/energy spent going in GMHI direction and now we’re backing away

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 21:41:30

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Thomson: Looking at current state of portfolio. Money’s not there to keep going, beneficial for comm to do work before final decision

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 21:42:16

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Thomson: “It was premature to continue that structure as it is now.”

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 21:43:14

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Salisbury says he can see downside of GMHI structure, but gains in communication must also be balanced by loses, right?

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 21:44:31

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Thomson not sure about loses, but notes staff was pretty clear in revue of District Energy that they were way off with targets.

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 21:45:25

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Salisbury says the answer hasn’t “come home from him yet.” Still looking for the downside of staff proposal.

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 21:46:09

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Thomson: GMHI is ceasing operations, future opportunities to expand in holding company still there.

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 21:47:41

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    GMHI is essentially being parked right now, will be coming back in a timely manner to discuss all that.

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 21:49:18

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “I’m still not entirely clear what we’re losing in this case,” says Salisbury.

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 21:49:49

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Salisbury concerned about the sol shareholder – Thomson – appointing himself to the board.

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 21:51:45

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    It’s just the circumstance says staff, and appropriate.

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 21:52:58

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Salisbury apologizes and adds the he hopes his questions answer everyone else’s questions. Polite laughs from the rest of council…

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 21:53:37

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Cllr Hofland also looking for clarity, are we easing operations?

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 21:57:34

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Thomson: That’s correct.

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 21:57:43

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Hofland: So you would report to the shareholder, yourself and GHESI Board?

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 21:58:15

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Thomson: Correct.

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 21:58:27

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Hofland: There will no longer be a role for the mayor?

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 21:58:44

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Thomson: Correct

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 21:58:52

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Hofland: So you’ll be looking for resignations from current GMHI Board at end of the night?

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 21:59:12

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Thomson: If passed, yes.

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 21:59:23

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Hofland: Would it be a council decision where the dividend would go?
    Thomson: Absolutely.

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 22:00:44

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Hofland: Where will Envida and costs associated fit?

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 22:01:07

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    There are transactions with Envida, owned by GMHI (why its not being dissolved), and streamline of DE assets will continue.

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 22:02:04

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “Very real possibility” that GHESI might take over Envida assets in the future.

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 22:02:39

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Thomson report will come back in Q1 2017 about future of DE nodes in Sleeman and HCBP

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 22:04:11

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Thomson says its premature to speculate about endgame (increase in dividends) stabilization is key right now.

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 22:05:27

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Cllr Allt points out that if Guelph Hydro assumes Envida, it will also assume more of the cost.
    Staff: It will.

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 22:06:15

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Allt asks for comment on disentangling GHESI from GMHI.

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 22:06:47

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Staff not sure how to answer, there was always a clear separation.

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 22:07:25

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Sardana says that GMHI wasn’t just a holding co. but a development one, city starting to disentangle that.

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 22:08:56

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Allt: for many people they’re the same thing.
    Sardana: GHESI was a subsidiary, but GMHI had potential to be bigger. Still might.

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 22:10:00

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Cllr Gibson says the best person to answer the Q about move to GMHI is Salisbury himself, he was on the design team.

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 22:10:51

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Cllr Wettstein says Salisbury wasn’t involved at the inception, he was, and it wasn’t about energy in the beginning.

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 22:12:07

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Wettstein: Have to go back and answer 2 critical Qs: GMHI wasn’t meant to take over broader responsibility, energy wasn’t ready either.

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 22:13:41

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Wettstein: DE hijacked GMHI.

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 22:13:59

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Wettstein: Before GMHI can have value, we have to have assets and identify funding.

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 22:14:33

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Cllr Billings: If council supports recommendation, GMHI will have less expenses, right?

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 22:15:49

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Thomson: Tax, outstanding loans need to be cleaned up.

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 22:16:16

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Billings asking about overhead. Thomson notes only himself and insurance.

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 22:16:53

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Billings asking Sardana about what will have to be repaid out of $1.5 M dividend.

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 22:17:33

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    $1.8 M loan from Royal Bank will have to be paid back immediately, but for the intracompany loans they have luxury of time.

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 22:18:22

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    GHESI statements available through ON energy board, difficult to get access to.

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 22:20:17

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Cllr Gordon: Needs to know what the oversight of GHESI will look like.

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 22:21:52

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Compared to management of Envida, which Sardana oversees as CEO. There are activities still going, and there will be reporting to holding co

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 22:22:43

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Sardana: “Have to operate [GMHI] as a shell, but an operating shell.”

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 22:23:25

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    There’s a consolidating relationship with RBC, and they still look at GMHI as a parent company.

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 22:23:59

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gordon says language like “ceasing” or “shelving” implies “suspended animation” but there will still be activities.

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 22:24:39

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie notes all business operations of GMHI will be deferred.

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 22:25:00

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Sardana: Until recently, GMHI has been encouraging development activity, but not anymore.

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 22:25:26

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Salisbury appreciates Gibson pointing out “the rhetorical nature” of questions, was trying to address his concerns thru his knowledge

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 22:26:12

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Salisbury will have further comments later. But still not entirely clear of how new shareholder declaration developed.

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 22:27:02

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    There will be reservations to the city of powers, while it says Thomson has discretion to appoint Board members, its deferred to City

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 22:28:20

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Salisbury: Will GHESI have opportunity to offer feedback on new agreement?

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 22:29:11

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    GHESI Board member Jane Armstrong has given feedback, but this is a work in progress and more adjustments will be made.

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 22:30:03

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Hofland asks Thomson if actions proposed will make it easier to sell, acquire or merge, and will it make GHESI more attractive?

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 22:31:09

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Thomson: There’s no predetermined outcome with the process, but they are trying to streamline.

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 22:31:30

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Thomson: The recommendations will streamline process and allow council to be nimble and responsive.

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 22:32:06

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Hofland: Is there a role for council in recommendation for new Strat and Options Committee?

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 22:33:23

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Stay tuned for next presentation.

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 22:33:58

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Wettstein asks if there’s a word that could be added that would make it clear that GHMI is not totally inactive.

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 22:35:27

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “Deferring *new* active business” is a change made in the first clause as per Wettstein.

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 22:36:04

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Council approves new 11-1. Salisbury voted against.

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 22:36:30

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Billings has amendment too under ‘E’ for audited financial statements to be disclosed too for transparency.

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 22:37:29

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Passes 12-0

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 22:38:36

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    FYI: Cllr Van Hellemond is not here this evening.

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 22:38:52

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Billings comments: a good way to deal with GMHI problems an “unmitigated disaster” for GHESI, DE and Envida.

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 22:39:30

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Billings says there’s end governance failure in the past, politically controlled board with entrenched ideology.

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 22:40:35

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Wants to shut down GMHI at end of the day and “stop the shenanigans.”

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 22:41:11

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Salisbury agrees some with ward mate, but disagrees with the rest.

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 22:41:30

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Salisbury says some ppl are saying they want to run city hall like a business, GMHI already does that. Agrees political board wrong way tho

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 22:42:20

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “Make no mistake, this is not coming back,” says Salisbury. Throwing away chance to run city assets like a business.

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 22:43:20

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “Develop out assets like a business” was the point of GMHI says Salisbury. Council moving backwards.

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 22:43:53

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “Who’s going to be developing a compelling business case?” asks Salisbury, Not council’s mandate.

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 22:44:31

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    TL:DR Salisbury not in favour.

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 22:45:37

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Cllr Bell says there was no “clear line of sight previously” b/c council was not all privy to what was going on.

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 22:46:29

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Bell, pleased to know what’s going on [again].

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 22:46:46

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Wettstein says public needs to know this is a bigger issue, not the load of “crap” that Cllr Billing threw out there.

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 22:48:40

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Billings: GMHI “caused a lot of grief” millions wasted and that’s not “a lot of crap.”

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 22:49:14

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Wettstein replaces “crap” with “extremely unfortunate” disagrees with characterizing board as “political”

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 22:50:04

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie: Didn’t think that being transparent about $14M loss is a negative to the city.

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 22:50:32

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie gives Wettstein kudos for the most ridiculous thing he’s heard as mayor.

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 22:50:50

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Piper points out that there’s no more political board than council itself. Hopes future staff and council will see benefit of GMHI

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 22:51:53

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Allt will support resolution. There’s been confusion with the acronyms, but still not convinced that even council knows what assets might be

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 22:52:48

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gibson is pleased that the political argument has come up. GMHI goes back 8 years.

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 22:53:46

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    5 of 8 members of original GMHI Board in 2010 were elected politicians, controlling interest Gibson points out.

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 22:55:01

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gibson says that Sardana notes that there was pressure to “get on” with District Energy.

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 22:55:29

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gibson takes exception with Hofland’s comments on transparency in March 14 @GuelphTribune article.

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 22:56:08

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gibson says he want to believe in this, but lack of transparency “disgusts” him.

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 22:56:27

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gibson says he’s committed, thanks Thomson for “cleaning this up”

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 22:57:11

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gibson disagrees with Wettstein, thanks mayor for his dedication to transparency. “Wouldn’t be here tonight” otherwise.

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 22:58:08

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    MacKinnion says in business when things aren’t working, you change direction. We “have other things we need to move on in the city.”

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 22:58:45

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Hofland says its a good idea to stop operations, but sad b/c it feels like moving backwards. Supports staff tho

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 22:59:38

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Hofland says its obvious that “we don’t have the sophistication or the leadership to move forward with a holding company.”

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 23:00:04

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Piper says DE file is very different from the founding vision, for the record.

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 23:00:42

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Wettstein says operating phase began Jan 2015, maybe few months before. Finger-pointing should go to the right place, he says

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 23:01:50

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “I can;t wait to speak,” Guthrie says.

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 23:02:08

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Bell says he does not recall supporting the founding of GHI in the first place.

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 23:02:48

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Billings says she objects to political controlled *arms length* and not transparent.

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 23:03:11

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gordon thinks he has to regrettably vote against, not a reflection on CAO and staff.

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 23:03:35

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gordon says it seems like there’s a risk to mobilize an effort to “kill the whole thing.” Going to support till “the knives were out 4 it.”

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 23:04:25

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “I walked into a mess,” said Guthrie. “It already was in a terrible situation, and I tried, and I tried, and I tried” to bring issues up

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 23:05:11

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    From Guthrie: “We’re almost 2 year into it.” 1/

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 23:10:02

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    It’s eaten me alive to be accused tonight that I operationally made decisions to have a $14 M loss in this city is unacceptable.” 2/

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 23:10:10

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    How dare anyone accuse me of that, all I’ve wanted is to bring this issue forward. I deserve a moment to be angry.” 3/

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 23:10:30

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “If I wasn’t your mayor I guarantee that there was something else going on. There is a lot of saving of face going on.” 4/

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 23:10:48

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “I do not think it should have been working the way its been working the last several years. Staff is thrilled that this is behind.” 5/

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 23:11:13

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “[Staff] can work on stuff that’s, I don’t know, for the city.” 6/

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 23:11:42

  126. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “Every single person should be quite upset at the city.” 7/

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 23:12:02

  127. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “If I was not the mayor tomorrow, I would hold my head up high leaving this building. These comments said about me is unacceptable.” 8/

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 23:12:24

  128. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “The most amazing motion I’ve seen in the last two years.” 9/

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 23:12:46

  129. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “We can put it aside for now, & get back 2 things that matter for the city, like fixing the sidewalks & getting financial house n order” 10/

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 23:13:33

  130. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “That’s leadership by the way, Councillor Hofland.” 11/

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 23:13:49

  131. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Council accepts the report 10-2. Salisbury and Gordon vote against.

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 23:14:12

  132. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    For the record, I did not get all of the mayor’s remarks, but I did get most of them, and I think you got the flavour.

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 23:17:33

  133. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    For the record, we still have one item from the GMHI shareholders meet to clear before the actual council meeting.

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 23:18:00

  134. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Engagement and communications plan now up.

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 23:23:35

  135. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Tara Spring, general manager of corporate communications, now presenting the plan.

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 23:25:12

  136. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Citizens expectations of engagement continue to increase, says report.

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 23:26:03

  137. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Four goals: design process w/integrity, encourage engagement, gather actionable input, maintain public confidence.

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 23:26:47

  138. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guiding principles: transparent & accountable, easier to understand terms, timely, authentic, inclusive, and easy to participate.

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 23:28:23

  139. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    A phased program and decisions won’t be made quickly Sprigg says, “an evolving dialogue”

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 23:29:13

  140. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    A number of components incl. new website:  http://hydro.guelph.ca 

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 23:30:42

  141. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    The process launches today. First report comes back Jan ’17, final report in fall/winter ’17.

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 23:31:35

  142. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Q from Hofland: asking about consistency on messages to the public.

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 23:33:09

  143. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Sprigg, new site uses plain language, accessible to all so everyone on even field. A communal source of info for everyone

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 23:33:58

  144. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    MacKinnon and Billings move to receive report

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 23:34:21

  145. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Report passes 12-0

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 23:34:29

  146. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    For recapping later: This is where GMHI ENDS and COUNCIL BEGINS!

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 23:35:33

  147. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie apologizes to those that have been waiting in the gallery

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 23:36:03

  148. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Billings notes a discrepancy in the minutes a motion for which Downer’s vote wasn’t included.

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 23:39:20

  149. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Council passes approval of past meeting minutes as amended.

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 23:40:33

  150. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Only consent agenda item pulled is Optimal Resource Deployment of Emergency Services

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 23:42:28

  151. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Delegation for Advertising Acceptability Policy not here, but Gibson ask it be pulled anyway. Has some comments.

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 23:43:15

  152. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    First up: Presentation of 2016 Provincial Co-ordinated Land Use Planning Review Comments.

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 23:44:03

  153. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Before that, Allt asks to acknowledge visiting @UoG interns.

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 23:44:36

  154. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Change up: Advertising Acceptability Policy being discussed first, b/c it might be dispatched quickly.

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 23:45:44

  155. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gibson asks staff about future questions.
    Mark Amarosi: Gives City framework where once there was none.

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 23:46:42

  156. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Amarosi: Policy states it will apply with all applicable laws, up to and incl. the Charter of Rights and Freedoms

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 23:47:36

  157. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    All Gibson’s Qs are answered. Guthrie says he’s happy with the answers to his own Qs, he voted against at CotW

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 23:49:12

  158. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Advertising policy passes 12-0

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 23:49:37

  159. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Update will deal with sustainable growth thru 2031.

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 23:51:00

  160. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guelph’s comments are that the new goals are overly ambitious, trying to fi square peg [Guelph] into a round hole {policy]

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 23:51:36

  161. PhilAlltWard3

    Phil Allt@PhilAlltWard3
    Council unanimously passes Advert Acceptability Policy. .@cityofguelph .@DowntownGuelph .@uofg .@adamadonaldson

    ·

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 23:53:00

  162. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Sticking point: densest neighbourhoods outside DT will be along the fringes of city.

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 23:53:23

  163. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guelph would like expanded definition of Prime Employment Areas, and wants separate greenfield area density target.

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 23:54:44

  164. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guelph would also like more connectivity between local, prov, and fed natural resource mapping.

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 23:55:32

  165. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Part of this is concern about limited water sources.

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 23:55:51

  166. Council tonight: Response to provincial Growth Plan. Natural features and groundwater limitations must be respected. https://t.co/48sBnJBXNQ

    Council tonight: Response to provincial Growth Plan. Natural features and groundwater limitations must be respected. pic.twitter.com/48sBnJBXNQ
    Leanne Piper Ward 5@ward5guelph

    ·
    ·

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 23:56:15

  167. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Comments also consider addressing climate change, integrating infrastructure, and improving plan implementation.

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 23:57:39

  168. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    City also looking to be shield from future OMB appeals based on decisions made to reach these goals.

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 23:58:17

  169. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Billings asks about the greenbelt, which is part of a separate process but currently no plans to add anything in L. Erie area (incl. us)

    Mon, Oct 24 2016 23:59:27

  170. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Cllr Downer asks if its beneficial to have some connections thru to Lake Erie. What would the difference be?

    Tue, Oct 25 2016 00:00:48

  171. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    If province extends urban river valley designations it would connect Guelph to greenbelt plan area…

    Tue, Oct 25 2016 00:01:29

  172. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Staff says city’s own natural heritage plans is more comprehensive anyway.

    Tue, Oct 25 2016 00:01:54

  173. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    MacKinnon asks if policy is bad or if Guelph is looking for special treatment i.e. growth targets

    Tue, Oct 25 2016 00:02:34

  174. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    The answer is both.

    Tue, Oct 25 2016 00:02:47

  175. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Other municipalities have similar concerns about targets.

    Tue, Oct 25 2016 00:03:11

  176. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “On behalf of the Gordon corridor in Ward 6, good luck!” says MacKinnon.

    Tue, Oct 25 2016 00:03:36

  177. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gibson asks how council can help on the density argument.

    Tue, Oct 25 2016 00:04:17

  178. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    This report is the city’s primary response, says staff.

    Tue, Oct 25 2016 00:04:56

  179. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Piper asking about “blue belt” and the purpose of climate change comments about ground water recharge?

    Tue, Oct 25 2016 00:07:09

  180. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Staff not taking particular viewpoint.

    Tue, Oct 25 2016 00:07:53

  181. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Are we having discussions about combined responses with surround township? asks Piper.

    Tue, Oct 25 2016 00:08:20

  182. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Nothing proposed in Wellington County for greenbelt, says staff.

    Tue, Oct 25 2016 00:08:37

  183. PhilAlltWard3

    Phil Allt@PhilAlltWard3
    .@emergeguelph  http://guelph.ca/2016/10/city-guelph-creates-committee-explore-options-energy-assets/ … Let’s energize for future with all our resources

    ·

    Tue, Oct 25 2016 00:10:20

  184. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    We’re now on to the delegations. Emile Compion, on behalf of the Good Growth Guelph organization team up first

    Tue, Oct 25 2016 00:13:05

  185. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Compton normally works with Wellington Water Watchers on expanding the greenbelt.

    Tue, Oct 25 2016 00:13:58

  186. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    I was at the Good Growth Guelph workshop. Check it out:  http://guelphpolitico.blogspot.ca/2016/09/citizens-brainstorm-path-to-good-growth.html …

    Tue, Oct 25 2016 00:14:50

  187. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Compion sees many areas of agreement between staff report and Good Growth’s comments.

    Tue, Oct 25 2016 00:15:31

  188. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie notes that the council workshop on the review was not closed to the public, apologizes if the wrong impression was given

    Tue, Oct 25 2016 00:17:30

  189. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Downer asks if GGG has sent their comments in to the ministry yet. No, they wanted to bring it to council first.

    Tue, Oct 25 2016 00:18:10

  190. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Hofland eches Downer and encourages GGG submit their feedback ASAP

    Tue, Oct 25 2016 00:18:47

  191. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    No more questions for Compion. Perennial delegate Hugh Whiteley is up next.

    Tue, Oct 25 2016 00:19:17

  192. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Whiteley says that when he arrived in the 50s he didn’t appreciate the depth of knowledge on Guelph’s river valleys people had.

    Tue, Oct 25 2016 00:21:34

  193. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Whiteley says Guelph had a full river protection policy in place, now it has a partial one.

    Tue, Oct 25 2016 00:24:04

  194. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Want’s see Guelph engage with Halton’s urban river renewal efforts.

    Tue, Oct 25 2016 00:24:48

  195. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gordon agrees with Whiteley recommendations, notes that GGG report seems to capture his comments.

    Tue, Oct 25 2016 00:28:46

  196. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Whiteley says the City has stopped being active on supplying the future with awareness of river valleys, handed things over to province.

    Tue, Oct 25 2016 00:29:20

  197. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Whiteley wants to see City take back initiate, understanding and acting on it.

    Tue, Oct 25 2016 00:30:11

  198. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    No more Qs for Whiteley.

    Tue, Oct 25 2016 00:30:35

  199. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Laura Murr now up, three of four delegations.

    Tue, Oct 25 2016 00:31:23

  200. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Murr worried about projected population increase as someone that concerned about protection of greenbelt and water.

    Tue, Oct 25 2016 00:32:15

  201. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Murr notes that there’s not even 5% parkland downtown, and city has yet to see benefit of density in the core.

    Tue, Oct 25 2016 00:36:19

  202. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Salisbury asks about what being included in the greenbelt will accomplish.

    Tue, Oct 25 2016 00:37:29

  203. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    GRCA already protects the river shoreline and the flood plane.

    Tue, Oct 25 2016 00:38:17

  204. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Murr points to property next to Marianne’s Park and 5 Arthur st as two missed opportunities.

    Tue, Oct 25 2016 00:38:54

  205. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    No more questions for Murr, Karen Rathwell is the last delegation.

    Tue, Oct 25 2016 00:39:42

  206. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    And she opened with a song…

    Tue, Oct 25 2016 00:39:54

  207. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Rathwell says staff dismissed the idea that the Greenbelt is applicable to the city. She disagrees.

    Tue, Oct 25 2016 00:41:05

  208. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Rothwell says that Guelph has a long history of environmental stewardship.

    Tue, Oct 25 2016 00:42:03

  209. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Rathwell says the last couple of months have shown that the Province is listening to citizens, hopes council will do the same.

    Tue, Oct 25 2016 00:43:50

  210. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    No Qs for Rothwell.

    Tue, Oct 25 2016 00:44:03

  211. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gordon notes that its rare that everyone on council and in gallery are on the same page about a report. Just some nudges.

    Tue, Oct 25 2016 00:49:30

  212. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gordon asks about reflecting public will concerning greenbelt in the document.

    Tue, Oct 25 2016 00:50:11

  213. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Province has initiated a separate comment on extending the greenbelt ring, and city could comment in that process. But council could add

    Tue, Oct 25 2016 00:50:50

  214. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gordon asks if it would be appropriate to have GGG report accompany staff report.

    Tue, Oct 25 2016 00:51:53

  215. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    There is some crossover, but GGG report went further on some things, says staff. “Local issues” that extend beyond the purview of report.

    Tue, Oct 25 2016 00:52:32

  216. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Scott Stewart says staff is hesitant b/c they haven’t had a chance to review the whole of GGG report.

    Tue, Oct 25 2016 00:54:15

  217. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “There might a lot of really good things in here, but we haven’t gone over it yet,” says DCAO Stewart

    Tue, Oct 25 2016 00:55:08

  218. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gibson would like to learn more about treating waste water and put it back into the system.

    Tue, Oct 25 2016 00:56:44

  219. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Adds that it’s important to point out that sometimes council can come together on the same page even after contentious face-off.

    Tue, Oct 25 2016 00:57:19

  220. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Piper: does Guelph own any land outside of municipal boundary?

    Tue, Oct 25 2016 00:58:25

  221. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    The city does btw, so we might have skin in the game, but again that’s different process.

    Tue, Oct 25 2016 00:59:38

  222. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie helps Gordon form motion to included delegation and public comment material along with, but separate from city comments.

    Tue, Oct 25 2016 01:05:05

  223. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Staff says they can forward it along as “Additional comments” no motion necessary.

    Tue, Oct 25 2016 01:05:48

  224. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “I think its about time we push back on the province on this issue,” says Guthrie. Hopes MPP will be made aware too.

    Tue, Oct 25 2016 01:06:20

  225. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Report received 12-0

    Tue, Oct 25 2016 01:06:30

  226. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Now Optimal Resource Deployment of Emergency Services, report pulled by Cllr Bell

    Tue, Oct 25 2016 01:07:45

  227. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Bell asks about general history of fire station situation around Guelph. Requested info be brought forward.

    Tue, Oct 25 2016 01:08:37

  228. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    City now has a six station model, and Bell concerned b/c he thought it was a five station model.

    Tue, Oct 25 2016 01:10:07

  229. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Bell thinks the information given was inadequate. Hesitant to move forward b/c he doesn’t think council has full scope of issue.

    Tue, Oct 25 2016 01:10:53

  230. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “You sit on council long enough and you start to think ‘jeepers, we really didn;t follow the best course,” Bell says.

    Tue, Oct 25 2016 01:14:05

  231. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Bell says one police chief wanted a $13 million station, then the next chief wanted the #34 million building…

    Tue, Oct 25 2016 01:14:56

  232. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    The report has been moved and seconded. No other comments.

    Tue, Oct 25 2016 01:15:42

  233. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Bell to move amendment if no one else wants to “meander” down the road in approving another $15 M facility.

    Tue, Oct 25 2016 01:16:34

  234. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Clack redistributed an old report for 2003, but the report here is about paramedics. No bearing on police service.

    Tue, Oct 25 2016 01:17:38

  235. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Five year plan for paramedics, nothing for fire service. That’s the focus.

    Tue, Oct 25 2016 01:18:00

  236. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Allt ask if the motion is out of order if the report is about paramedics and not fire. Bell concerns about fire.

    Tue, Oct 25 2016 01:18:44

  237. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Billings says the 2007 report (not ’03) was all over the place.

    Tue, Oct 25 2016 01:19:28

  238. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Clack says the report featured data from ’03, can check to see if there was an update subsequently.

    Tue, Oct 25 2016 01:20:20

  239. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    There are new growth projections to keep in mind.

    Tue, Oct 25 2016 01:20:40

  240. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Bell says that council needs to decide where the 911 centre at Wellington/Wyndham goes. It’s all three.

    Tue, Oct 25 2016 01:22:34

  241. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Amarosi: “Let me begin by saying OMG.”

    Tue, Oct 25 2016 01:23:29

  242. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Amarosi says that when city took on ambulances in ’09 some changes were made as leases came up and other concerns.

    Tue, Oct 25 2016 01:24:18

  243. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “I think there’s a couple of reports we’re talking about here,” says Amarosi.

    Tue, Oct 25 2016 01:24:47

  244. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Downer suggests that staff look for the ’07 report and then ask if that report is relevant to what staff are asking to do.

    Tue, Oct 25 2016 01:27:04

  245. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Otherwise the fire station issue doesn’t seem relevant in this.

    Tue, Oct 25 2016 01:27:24

  246. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    There will also be a capital budget request, says Clack, will pull materials but Guelph’s had 6 fire stations since ’11

    Tue, Oct 25 2016 01:28:27

  247. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Staff will send subsequent email with information. Bell refuses to withdraw motion, Billings withdraws second.

    Tue, Oct 25 2016 01:29:35

  248. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Report passes 11-1 (Bell against)

    Tue, Oct 25 2016 01:31:06

  249. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Last item: Haiti Emergency Fund, a matter from FCM to all municipalities.

    Tue, Oct 25 2016 01:31:43

  250. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gordon notes that the Feds have donated $2.3 M to the cause.

    Tue, Oct 25 2016 01:32:24

  251. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gordon: The larger question is if the municipality in the business of supporting humanitarian aid.

    Tue, Oct 25 2016 01:33:23

  252. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gordon would like to encourage everyone to donate privately, but is wanting to gage interest in have a public humanitarian fund.

    Tue, Oct 25 2016 01:34:46

  253. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Not sure this should be done tonight, but worth exploring in the future.

    Tue, Oct 25 2016 01:35:02

  254. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie says there will be lots of opportunities starting this week to look at budget matters and a humanitarian fund.

    Tue, Oct 25 2016 01:35:34

  255. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    By-laws passed 11-0 (MacKinnon’s departed)

    Tue, Oct 25 2016 01:36:54

  256. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Mayor’s announcements Ward 2&3 budget town hall tomorrow at city hall in Room C

    Tue, Oct 25 2016 01:37:58

  257. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Sad news as Harry Dunning (former Deputy Fire Chief) Assa Camiso (sp) a customer service agent at West End Rec Centre passed away

    Tue, Oct 25 2016 01:39:39

  258. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Meeting adjourned. Good night.

    Tue, Oct 25 2016 01:40:34

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