LIVE BLOG: City Council Meeting for September 12, 2016

Published on by Adam A. Donaldson

Council is back in session tonight at the special time of 6:30 pm. Planning issues are up for discussion, and as usual you can follow along here. You can click here for the amended agenda from City Hall, and you can click here to read Politico’s preview of tonight’s meeting. For the complete blow-by-blow of tonight’s council meeting, you can follow me on Twitter, or follow along below via Storify.

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Adam A. Donaldson
Tue, Sep 13 2016 01:27:37

Guelph City Council Meeting – September 12, 2016

Live blog from the meeting starting at 6:30 pm

  1. From GUELPH POLITICO: A preview for tonight's council meeting: https://t.co/AUsxdhACKc #Guelph https://t.co/P7aq7IF74j

    From GUELPH POLITICO: A preview for tonight’s council meeting:  http://guelphpolitico.blogspot.ca/2016/09/city-council-preview-whats-on-agenda.html … #Guelph pic.twitter.com/P7aq7IF74j
    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
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    Mon, Sep 12 2016 17:38:42

  2. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Food Truck by-law amendment, plus Vic Park Village extension and Grange Rd demo should fly thru on content agenda…

    Mon, Sep 12 2016 22:29:18

  3. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    .@CamGuthrie offers update on First Nations acknowledgement. Staff working with elders on proper wording, coming forward soon.

    Mon, Sep 12 2016 22:32:02

  4. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Cllr Gibson sends regrets tonight, so its an even dozen on the horseshoe.

    Mon, Sep 12 2016 22:32:41

  5. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Staff now showing off new budget tools for 2017.

    Mon, Sep 12 2016 22:33:18

  6. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Allison Springate is talking about best practices for budget comms. Started in January the research.

    Mon, Sep 12 2016 22:34:47

  7. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    The tools we’ve developed this year will be a starting point for community members to start budget convo.

    Mon, Sep 12 2016 22:35:12

  8. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    A short 2 minute video was created…

    Mon, Sep 12 2016 22:35:46

  9. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “Guelph is a community where you can have it all…” says the video.

    Mon, Sep 12 2016 22:36:08

  10. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Out of every $1: 23% goes to education, 22% goes to service partners like the police, and 50% goes to everything else.

    Mon, Sep 12 2016 22:37:05

  11. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Basically: go to  http://guelph.ca/budget 

    Mon, Sep 12 2016 22:37:58

  12. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Some members of council will hold town halls leading up the budget. Like this one:  http://ward1guelph.ca/2016/09/ward-1-town-hall-wednesday-september-28-7-9-at-city-hall/ …

    Mon, Sep 12 2016 22:38:49

  13. Staff unveil new @cityofguelph budget video to spark community participation. #startingpoint https://t.co/PDoAsTUGDq

    Staff unveil new @cityofguelph budget video to spark community participation. #startingpoint pic.twitter.com/PDoAsTUGDq
    Leanne Piper Ward 5@ward5guelph

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    Mon, Sep 12 2016 22:39:17

  14. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    References pages will have common info about the budget. Can be sent to constituents or handed out at meeting.

    Mon, Sep 12 2016 22:39:23

  15. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    At the end of the budget process, comm staff will get feedback on tools for improvement next year.

    Mon, Sep 12 2016 22:40:41

  16. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Cllr Piper asking if the material will be available in other languages or AOA compliant.

    Mon, Sep 12 2016 22:41:42

  17. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Other languages is something to be taken into consideration next year.

    Mon, Sep 12 2016 22:42:15

  18. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    That’s a wrap on the budget tools presentation. Now on to the consent agenda.

    Mon, Sep 12 2016 22:43:43

  19. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Delegations in the house for HCBP extension for Phase 3 and Downtown Secondary.

    Mon, Sep 12 2016 22:44:24

  20. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Cllr Hofland moves all three, but Guthrie has a Q concerning email councillors received.

    Mon, Sep 12 2016 22:44:53

  21. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Staff: high fees in parks separate matter from the by-law. Fees for food vehicles in parks is the prevue of the parks dept.

    Mon, Sep 12 2016 22:45:57

  22. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Consent agenda passes 12-0

    Mon, Sep 12 2016 22:46:23

  23. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Next: Statutory public meeting for Proposed Downtown Zoning By-law Amendment

    Mon, Sep 12 2016 22:47:04

  24. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie acknowledges that @LloydLongfield is in the house.

    Mon, Sep 12 2016 22:47:19

  25. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Senior urban designer David deGroot presents the plan. No decisions will be made tonight.

    Mon, Sep 12 2016 22:48:32

  26. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    The secondary plan is about developing a vision for @DowntownGuelph up to 2031.

    Mon, Sep 12 2016 22:48:59

  27. The zone we're talking about. https://t.co/jUXgcZoRFj

    The zone we’re talking about. pic.twitter.com/jUXgcZoRFj
    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
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    Mon, Sep 12 2016 22:51:09

  28. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    We’re entering phase #4 of the project. Interviews with stakeholders now taking place.

    Mon, Sep 12 2016 22:51:46

  29. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    The draft will be further reviewed and be brought to council for approval sometime in Q1 early next year

    Mon, Sep 12 2016 22:52:17

  30. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    @ryangerritsen @DowntownGuelph I don’t know the exact deets on traffic, but I image that’s a consideration. They are still collecting input.

    Mon, Sep 12 2016 22:53:15

  31. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Cllr Hofland asking about further opportunities for public input. Still plenty of time for public to offer 2 cents even tho….

    Mon, Sep 12 2016 22:54:33

  32. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    …they’ve had an open house.

    Mon, Sep 12 2016 22:54:43

  33. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Cllr Piper asks about the special policy areas. Natural features, etc. No changes are being proposed.

    Mon, Sep 12 2016 22:56:06

  34. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Cllr Bell concerned about regulating active frontages. Is there any mechanism we can expand that regulation behind what;s in 2nd plan?

    Mon, Sep 12 2016 22:57:01

  35. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    deGroot: Weren’t looking to expand, not part of the project scope at this time.

    Mon, Sep 12 2016 22:57:24

  36. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    It would probably months to expand the process to look at active frontages, say staff.

    Mon, Sep 12 2016 23:01:19

  37. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Cllr Salisbury asks if it would be possible to pass the amendment, and then review the active frontages and make it retroactive?

    Mon, Sep 12 2016 23:02:11

  38. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    A second zoning amendment would have to be required, “further implantation amendment” would be needed.

    Mon, Sep 12 2016 23:05:29

  39. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Cllr Wettstein reinforces this is a discussion meeting.

    Mon, Sep 12 2016 23:07:34

  40. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Wettstein warns against opening another amendment process, b/c of the appearance of redundancy.

    Mon, Sep 12 2016 23:08:53

  41. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Cllr Billings asks about regs for bike parking, 75 spaces/100 units. Something like this encourages more apps for zone change, she notes.

    Mon, Sep 12 2016 23:09:53

  42. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    deGroot says there’s a caveat in the bylaw to treat bike parking like all regular parking. That’s where that comes from.

    Mon, Sep 12 2016 23:10:38

  43. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Cllr. Billings: Have utilities portion been circulated for comment?

    Mon, Sep 12 2016 23:11:45

  44. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    deGroot: they have, but no comments have been received thus far.

    Mon, Sep 12 2016 23:12:04

  45. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Cllr Billings: Aren’t utilities exempt from placement by-laws?

    Mon, Sep 12 2016 23:12:33

  46. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Staff: short answer, no.

    Mon, Sep 12 2016 23:12:50

  47. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    The point is to avoid having vents blow directly on pedestrians.

    Mon, Sep 12 2016 23:13:34

  48. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    No other Qs from council, time for delegates.

    Mon, Sep 12 2016 23:14:15

  49. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Astrid Clos the first to present She’s a design consultant for Riker holdings.

    Mon, Sep 12 2016 23:15:47

  50. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Affordable housing for seniors being built at 75 Dublin N. Deal just reached recently.

    Mon, Sep 12 2016 23:16:18

  51. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    River would like to get approval of the plan in 2016, so sight approvals can get going for the new property in the new year.

    Mon, Sep 12 2016 23:17:25

  52. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Clos says the project has a tight deadline. The start date for the project is April 2017.

    Mon, Sep 12 2016 23:22:11

  53. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Asking council to pass motion to direct staff to bring portion of plan that affects Dublin for approval in Nov. 2016.

    Mon, Sep 12 2016 23:23:03

  54. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Tom (sp?) says this opportunity came together 5 weeks ago. “That’s typically how these projects roll out.” Timelines are highly inflexible

    Mon, Sep 12 2016 23:24:14

  55. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Note: this project has the support of the feds, hence Longfield’s presence tonight.

    Mon, Sep 12 2016 23:25:14

  56. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Unfortunately, there’s no extra time coming from the feds for the start of this project.

    Mon, Sep 12 2016 23:26:47

  57. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    The grant is for $3M in all, $150K for each of the units.

    Mon, Sep 12 2016 23:27:08

  58. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Billings asks what needs to be done, aside from timeline approval.

    Mon, Sep 12 2016 23:28:47

  59. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Billings is asking if there will be time for input from the neighbourhood & other development concerns b4 deadline in 8 months

    Mon, Sep 12 2016 23:30:46

  60. Behold the motion that Rikers is looking for: https://t.co/wE0O6UOtz8

    Behold the motion that Rikers is looking for: pic.twitter.com/wE0O6UOtz8
    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    ·

    Mon, Sep 12 2016 23:31:40

  61. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Clos says a public info meeting on this specific proposal can be held before November.

    Mon, Sep 12 2016 23:33:53

  62. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Downer is concerned about bypassing a public meeting phase b/c the neighbours are unawares about this right now.

    Mon, Sep 12 2016 23:35:54

  63. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Salisbury asking if there’s going to exceptions to the proposed amendment. Answer, there’s 4.

    Mon, Sep 12 2016 23:37:30

  64. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Cllt Allt says there’s need for discussion with staff at this point, even though he agrees in principle with what’s on the table.

    Mon, Sep 12 2016 23:38:51

  65. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Council needs to deal with the presidents they’re going to set with this issue.

    Mon, Sep 12 2016 23:39:17

  66. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Bell clarifies. If the amendment is approved in Nov. then site plan approval would then take place.

    Mon, Sep 12 2016 23:40:12

  67. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    They could present a preliminary site plan before that.

    Mon, Sep 12 2016 23:40:31

  68. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Riker Holdings the only delegation on this.

    Mon, Sep 12 2016 23:40:49

  69. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Billings asks about Clos’ other letter about the plan. Follow-up on Billings own Qs earlier

    Mon, Sep 12 2016 23:41:41

  70. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Clos concerned about one standard for all vis-a-vis bike parking. Different building types might have different needs.

    Mon, Sep 12 2016 23:42:41

  71. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    As for utilities, they go where they need to be, may not always be possible to dictate where.

    Mon, Sep 12 2016 23:43:02

  72. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Salisbury says he sees the planing for 75 Dublin consistent with where Guelph wants to go. Can we fast track app for 75Dub separately?

    Mon, Sep 12 2016 23:46:49

  73. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Staff has told Riker that site specific plan is most direct root than trying to due both at same time.

    Mon, Sep 12 2016 23:47:38

  74. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Site specific regs do take a bit longer though.

    Mon, Sep 12 2016 23:47:53

  75. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Time lines are tight, but the two can run concurrently. Report could come back in Jan or Feb.

    Mon, Sep 12 2016 23:48:45

  76. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Salisbury says that sounds like a comprehensive answer, but why is Rikers not doing it the staff way (basically)?

    Mon, Sep 12 2016 23:50:52

  77. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Salisbury asks if the stand alone process could allow the project to meet November deadline?

    Mon, Sep 12 2016 23:53:47

  78. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Staff: it’s a matter of staff working together with the applicant. If they can get it together they can get public meet in Nov.

    Mon, Sep 12 2016 23:54:33

  79. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    But, they need a decision in November? Can it be done.

    Mon, Sep 12 2016 23:54:53

  80. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Staff seems firm. the decision couldn’t be made till January.

    Mon, Sep 12 2016 23:55:17

  81. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie points out there’s a report in front of council, and another proposal for consideration.

    Mon, Sep 12 2016 23:56:38

  82. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Derrick Thomson agrees about keeping the matters separate.

    Mon, Sep 12 2016 23:57:00

  83. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Thomson says he’d like to see an “eyes wide open discussion” on 75 Dublin on a separate night.

    Mon, Sep 12 2016 23:57:53

  84. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Focus on report to receive, asks Guthrie.

    Mon, Sep 12 2016 23:58:07

  85. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    @spookesque From the sounds of it, this all seemed to come together just last week.

    Mon, Sep 12 2016 23:59:39

  86. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Cllr Bell asks about best process at looking at streetscape and getting feedback on the matter.

    Tue, Sep 13 2016 00:00:11

  87. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    @spookesque That’s the topic of conversation.

    Tue, Sep 13 2016 00:01:51

  88. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Cllr Salisbury has Q about amendment. Is there an opportunity to have softer language to activate street frontage?

    Tue, Sep 13 2016 00:06:04

  89. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Staff: We’re looking at balancing the language, and reflect the intent in policy

    Tue, Sep 13 2016 00:07:09

  90. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Hard to do “shall” and “should” in zoning bylaw, they’re supposed to be more black and white.

    Tue, Sep 13 2016 00:07:34

  91. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    @spookesque It’s in the addendum agenda. At the back.

    Tue, Sep 13 2016 00:08:08

  92. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Vote to receive report on 2ndary plan amendment passes 12-0.

    Tue, Sep 13 2016 00:08:30

  93. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Cllr Piper says that if we lose opportunity on 75 Dublin, they’ll have a lot of explaining to do. 1/2

    Tue, Sep 13 2016 00:09:24

  94. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Council has let opportunities like this slip through fingers in the past due to political process. 2/2

    Tue, Sep 13 2016 00:09:50

  95. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    This is an opportunity that the community has been waiting to see happen, says Piper.

    Tue, Sep 13 2016 00:10:09

  96. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Piper notes that there’s been an expedited process in the past. Why not this time?

    Tue, Sep 13 2016 00:10:48

  97. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Staff: if the application is in order it can happen in Oct with special meeting. Just needs 20 days for notice.

    Tue, Sep 13 2016 00:12:07

  98. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Piper agrees about keeping this separate from DT process, but need to direct the right resources to staff.

    Tue, Sep 13 2016 00:13:31

  99. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Thomson suggests “all gov’t approach.” Offers to attend county council meeting on the 29th

    Tue, Sep 13 2016 00:16:09

  100. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Thomson looking for special meeting in November, and get the homework done in the neighbourhood in advanced.

    Tue, Sep 13 2016 00:17:54

  101. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “Don’t tie our hands to Nov 14, tie them to a special meeting,” says Thomson

    Tue, Sep 13 2016 00:19:17

  102. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Piper motion: to direct staff to w/ applicant, other levels of gov, on site specific application…

    Tue, Sep 13 2016 00:19:57

  103. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Note about funding in the motion to make sure ppl know that receipt of grant funding is the goal.

    Tue, Sep 13 2016 00:20:36

  104. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie thinking that he would like to see a decision by the end of November. How that happens, up to staff and applicant.

    Tue, Sep 13 2016 00:21:23

  105. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Shovels have to be in the ground in April, Thomson also notes the need for flexibility.

    Tue, Sep 13 2016 00:23:15

  106. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Need time to build in the public commentary, says Thomson.

    Tue, Sep 13 2016 00:23:30

  107. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Thomson says he’s looking to the applicant to do advanced work in the neighbourhood beforehand.

    Tue, Sep 13 2016 00:24:04

  108. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Motion is on the floor to bring an application by November 30.

    Tue, Sep 13 2016 00:26:29

  109. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Hofland looking to combine delegation night with decision night. Just a suggestion if we get down to the crunch.

    Tue, Sep 13 2016 00:27:21

  110. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Allt has point of order. Wonders if it’s appropriate to hear from delegate to make sure what council is doing what’s need by them

    Tue, Sep 13 2016 00:28:33

  111. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “Yes it is nice to see the term ‘Guelph Factor’ redefined this term” says Guthrie.

    Tue, Sep 13 2016 00:29:18

  112. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Longfield say affordable housing is very important. The agreement btw feds/prov wasn’t signed till a few weeks ago…

    Tue, Sep 13 2016 00:30:08

  113. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    The funds have to be from this budget cycle hence April deadline to get shovel in the ground.

    Tue, Sep 13 2016 00:31:04

  114. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Collaboration between feds and council another Guelph Factor, says Longfield.

    Tue, Sep 13 2016 00:31:26

  115. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Longfield says the November timeline is “very real”.

    Tue, Sep 13 2016 00:32:12

  116. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Basically, this would be the planning meeting for 75 Dublin if this process is attached to the DT 2ndary plan.

    Tue, Sep 13 2016 00:36:49

  117. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Developer would bring informal meeting later.

    Tue, Sep 13 2016 00:37:07

  118. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Allt ays on the one hand the city could pass and violate its own rules, or it could fail and Guelph could lose the money.

    Tue, Sep 13 2016 00:39:37

  119. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Staff: there’s information that needs to be prepared, They have until April to get a sight plan.

    Tue, Sep 13 2016 00:40:54

  120. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Piper withdraws the motion on the basis that Lammer said if it passes, the development can’t go forward.

    Tue, Sep 13 2016 00:41:23

  121. Cllr MacKinnon asks about any other risks to passing this: https://t.co/MTtyEz8zng

    Cllr MacKinnon asks about any other risks to passing this: pic.twitter.com/MTtyEz8zng
    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    ·

    Tue, Sep 13 2016 00:42:13

  122. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    None that staff can think of.

    Tue, Sep 13 2016 00:42:26

  123. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    MacKinnon asks about appeals to OMB. It’s possible b/c anything is up for appeal once passed by council.

    Tue, Sep 13 2016 00:43:03

  124. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Could take from 3 to 6 months to get hearing date.

    Tue, Sep 13 2016 00:44:36

  125. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Cllr Billings moves the motion, but believes there should be a public engagement proviso as well.

    Tue, Sep 13 2016 00:45:05

  126. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Wettstein warns “the OMB thing” is a reality. Have to do this well enough o avoid that b/c otherwise this project goes away.

    Tue, Sep 13 2016 00:46:32

  127. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Downer doesn’t understand the difference between the two motions.

    Tue, Sep 13 2016 00:47:39

  128. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Downer adds that the motion lacks transparency. “This isn’t how you build a building […] It’s a bypass of a process.”

    Tue, Sep 13 2016 00:48:29

  129. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Just a reminder, there’s still 2 more items on tonight’s agenda.

    Tue, Sep 13 2016 00:52:59

  130. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Allt says he’ll support the motion despite the points Downer made. A “slippery slope” motion and must be careful, he adds.

    Tue, Sep 13 2016 00:54:52

  131. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Notes that it’s a political decision, and the especially tight deadline. Imperative to accept responsibility in order 2 build social housing

    Tue, Sep 13 2016 00:55:52

  132. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gordon asks about procedural risks. Staff says there’s none, it’s all on the planning act.

    Tue, Sep 13 2016 00:56:30

  133. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gordon says we can’t be intimidated by that process. We have to proceed anyway.

    Tue, Sep 13 2016 00:58:38

  134. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Van Hellemond wonders if this is going to happen everywhere in Ontario. The gov has got to get the money out earlier.

    Tue, Sep 13 2016 00:59:22

  135. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Bell notes the developer are well-known to council, and they’re choosing to take on the risk.

    Tue, Sep 13 2016 01:00:17

  136. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Bell also points out that no money is being asked for from Guelph. He’s “jumping on the caboose” even if he “skins his knees on the track.”

    Tue, Sep 13 2016 01:00:56

  137. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Billings hope everyone can support b/c to lose this money would be a travesty, and losing the funds deplorable.

    Tue, Sep 13 2016 01:03:03

  138. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie wants to make sure that motion is no reflection on staff’s professional advise. This is political.

    Tue, Sep 13 2016 01:03:35

  139. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “We must be willing to help these projects move along. We have to keep up momentum.” says Guthrie about “keeping cranes in the sky.”

    Tue, Sep 13 2016 01:04:20

  140. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    The vote is called.

    Tue, Sep 13 2016 01:04:42

  141. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Passes 11-0. Downer votes against.

    Tue, Sep 13 2016 01:05:00

  142. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie calls a 10 minute break.

    Tue, Sep 13 2016 01:05:38

  143. Courtesy of Google Streetview: 75 Dublin N. https://t.co/8MR1UvrxSS

    Courtesy of Google Streetview: 75 Dublin N. pic.twitter.com/8MR1UvrxSS
    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    ·

    Tue, Sep 13 2016 01:15:02

  144. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    One more issue to be clarified RE: 75 Dublin.

    Tue, Sep 13 2016 01:15:37

  145. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Staff told Guthrie that they have to be directed a site-specific official plan amendment.

    Tue, Sep 13 2016 01:15:59

  146. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    @selaw13 I think Downer had concerns about establishing precedent.

    Tue, Sep 13 2016 01:17:11

  147. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    @selaw13 My bad. Yes, that is what I meant.

    Tue, Sep 13 2016 01:17:59

  148. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Vote to direct staff passes 11-0. Van Hellemond not in the room.

    Tue, Sep 13 2016 01:19:27

  149. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    @selaw13 That seems to be the gist more or less. :-/

    Tue, Sep 13 2016 01:19:50

  150. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    No presentation for extension of Phase #3 HCBP. Delegation not here. It passes 11-0

    Tue, Sep 13 2016 01:20:54

  151. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Bylaws passed 11-0

    Tue, Sep 13 2016 01:21:12

  152. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Mayor’s announcements: there are openings on citizen advisory committees. Look them up on guelph.ca

    Tue, Sep 13 2016 01:21:44

  153. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Notice of motion from Gordon RE: Nestle water. Gordon has revise

    Tue, Sep 13 2016 01:22:14

  154. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    September 30 deadline is no longer a relevant date. Changed to read that letter be sent to province during registry process

    Tue, Sep 13 2016 01:22:55

  155. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Wettstein asks about procedure on notice of motion.

    Tue, Sep 13 2016 01:23:59

  156. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    It will come forward on 26, delegations are welcome but about whether there’s merit in sending to CotW if council votes in favour.

    Tue, Sep 13 2016 01:24:40

  157. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Then it would come up for Oct 1 CotW where delegations could come forward and speak to the motion.

    Tue, Sep 13 2016 01:25:03

  158. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Delgations on 26 should speak to the merits of the motion going to committee.

    Tue, Sep 13 2016 01:25:24

  159. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Motion to adjourn passes, and that’s a wrap for council tonight. See everyone in two weeks.

    Tue, Sep 13 2016 01:26:49

 

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