LIVE BLOG: City Council Meeting for July 11, 2016

Published on by Adam A. Donaldson

Food trucks, affordable housing, and planning matters are all on the agenda for tonight’s meeting. You can click here for the amended agenda from City Hall, and you can click here to read Politico’s preview of tonight’s meeting. For the complete blow-by-blow of tonight’s council meeting, you can follow me on Twitter, or follow along below via Storify.

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Adam A. Donaldson
Tue, Jul 12 2016 02:32:57

Guelph City Council Meeting – July 11, 2016

Live blog from the meeting starting at 7 pm

  1. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    From Guelph Politico: City Council Preview – What’s on the Agenda for the July 11 Meeting?  http://guelphpolitico.blogspot.ca/2016/07/city-council-preview-whats-on-agenda.html …

    Mon, Jul 11 2016 19:05:41

  2. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guelph Politico will have the live-blog from #GuelphCityCouncil tonight starting at 7pm.  http://guelphpolitico.blogspot.ca/2016/07/live-blog-city-council-meeting-for-july.html …

    Mon, Jul 11 2016 19:10:49

  3. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    We’re starting a couple of minutes early.

    Mon, Jul 11 2016 22:59:38

  4. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    No Disclosure of Pecuniary Interest and General Nature Thereof tonight.

    Mon, Jul 11 2016 23:00:18

  5. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Presentation by Amanda Macdougall, Regional Manager, Municipal & Stakeholder Relations, MPAC re: 2016 MPAC Assessment Update up 1st.

    Mon, Jul 11 2016 23:00:53

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    MPAC determines current assessments and evaluations. 2016 is a reassessment year btw.

    Mon, Jul 11 2016 23:01:48

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Assessment years happen every four years, like the Olympics. This assessment will cover 2017-20 tax years.

    Mon, Jul 11 2016 23:02:37

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Mailing assessments happens over 20 week period starting in April

    Mon, Jul 11 2016 23:03:26

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    15,926 data touch points for MPAC in the @cityofguelph that’s an increase and makes MPAC more confident in assessments says Macdougall

    Mon, Jul 11 2016 23:04:20

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    We’re now moving to level 3, and property specific research says Macdougall.

    Mon, Jul 11 2016 23:05:06

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    More predictability, improved risk analysis, fewer surprises the benefit for municipalities.

    Mon, Jul 11 2016 23:06:14

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Increased satisfaction and confidence plus more opportunity for feedback the benefits for property owners.

    Mon, Jul 11 2016 23:06:50

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    New this year, residents will have 120 days to file request for reconsideration. Deadline for #Guelph Nov 22.

    Mon, Jul 11 2016 23:08:26

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    @selaw13 I believe the Guelph assessments are going out this month, and the lockout was pushed back 30 days. Won’t be an issue (for Guelph)

    Mon, Jul 11 2016 23:10:58

  15. This year's assessment. https://t.co/Ij8ZD0Skk8

    This year’s assessment. pic.twitter.com/Ij8ZD0Skk8
    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    ·

    Mon, Jul 11 2016 23:13:05

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Macdougall can’t comment on Cllr Piper about water resources having an effect on assessment.

    Mon, Jul 11 2016 23:19:17

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    5 factors incl. lot size, sq footage got into 85% of the assessment.

    Mon, Jul 11 2016 23:19:46

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Cllr Downer wonders if City should put out communication to explain that the 5.7% change in assessment means 5.7% change in taxes.

    Mon, Jul 11 2016 23:20:51

  19. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Mayor Guthrie notes such a communique could happen with the plan to make citizens aware of the coming budget cycle.

    Mon, Jul 11 2016 23:21:30

  20. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie now moves to consent agenda: Bristol St recon, demolition at 47 Arkyll, and Market Debenture.

    Mon, Jul 11 2016 23:23:13

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Those have passed 13-0

    Mon, Jul 11 2016 23:23:21

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Zoning bylaw amendment for food vehicles next up on the agenda.

    Mon, Jul 11 2016 23:23:54

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Abby Watts, Policy Planner leading this discussion.

    Mon, Jul 11 2016 23:24:29

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Ongoing projects concerning food vehicles include biz licensing, zoning, park, and the pilot “Food Truck Summer”

    Mon, Jul 11 2016 23:25:56

  25. What is a "Food Vehicle"? https://t.co/R6KlgZBTy6

    What is a “Food Vehicle”? pic.twitter.com/R6KlgZBTy6
    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    ·

    Mon, Jul 11 2016 23:28:46

  26. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    @darrellmast Yes. 😕

    Mon, Jul 11 2016 23:29:15

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Cllr Bell asks about the peculiarity about carts and trucks being covered by the same definition and requirements.

    Mon, Jul 11 2016 23:30:04

  28. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Elimination of administration is the reason, says Watts.

    Mon, Jul 11 2016 23:30:54

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    If food carts were not included in definition, they would not be permitted.

    Mon, Jul 11 2016 23:31:37

  30. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Parks maybe coming up with their own regs vs industrial and commercial. That has nothing to do with zoning.

    Mon, Jul 11 2016 23:33:08

  31. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Cllr MacKinnon asks if an old times bike selling popsicles counts as a vehicle. It does.

    Mon, Jul 11 2016 23:34:09

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    The bylaw does not have “wheeled vehicle”, but the presentation and docs do, hence the confusion.

    Mon, Jul 11 2016 23:35:09

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “Tacos on tanks” is coming to Guelph, jokes Guthrie.

    Mon, Jul 11 2016 23:35:48

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Vehicles are subject to health inspections and that has been taken into account says staff in response to Cllr Allt Q

    Mon, Jul 11 2016 23:36:54

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    That’s it for Qs on food trucks.

    Mon, Jul 11 2016 23:37:34

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Allt/Billings move to receive report. Passes 13-0

    Mon, Jul 11 2016 23:38:06

  37. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    745 Stone Road East and 58 Glenholm Drive Proposed Zoning By-law Amendment up next.

    Mon, Jul 11 2016 23:38:41

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    The land is subject to the Innovation District secondary plan.

    Mon, Jul 11 2016 23:41:30

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Owners want land to be zoned Specialized Residential Single Detached” (R.1A-?) zone and “Conservation” (P.1). allowing for 5 new dvlpments

    Mon, Jul 11 2016 23:43:58

  40. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Cllr Gordon asks about one plot that looks to face the Eramosa River. Sulatycki says all enviro features taken into account

    Mon, Jul 11 2016 23:45:55

  41. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gordon asking specifically about GRCA. That report has been circulated and will come for feedback says Sulatycki

    Mon, Jul 11 2016 23:46:20

  42. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Nancy Shoemaker, on behalf of the applicant, is now addressing council.

    Mon, Jul 11 2016 23:47:53

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Families began discussion with City to develop properties in 2005, says Shoemaker.

    Mon, Jul 11 2016 23:48:39

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Cllr Salisbury asks about “turning circle” on Glenholm. 3 new driveways will be created says Shoemaker.

    Mon, Jul 11 2016 23:54:04

  45. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    No further Qs for Shoemaker. Bell/Billings move receipt of the report.

    Mon, Jul 11 2016 23:55:31

  46. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Cllr Gibson notes that 70% of the land in this development will be protected. A “point of optimism” he says.

    Mon, Jul 11 2016 23:56:12

  47. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Passes 13-0

    Mon, Jul 11 2016 23:56:21

  48. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Next up, bylaw amendment to allow the old JL’s Home Hardware property to be turned into a self-store and Uhaul rental

    Mon, Jul 11 2016 23:57:16

  49. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    The property will have to be rezoned from “Specialized Service Commercial” (SC.1-17) Zone to “Highway Service Commercial” (SC.2) Zone

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 00:00:26

  50. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Cllr Billings asks Sulatycki if there’s a chance for landscaping on the Speedvale side of property?

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 00:01:31

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    That’s in the works at site planning approval, says Sulatycki.

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 00:01:50

  52. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    David Anstett says the location is ideal for his business.

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 00:02:36

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Mayor Guthrie asks about the other Uhaul at Victoria/Speedvale. Is it closing?

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 00:03:36

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Anstett says no, the other Uhaul an independent contractor.

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 00:04:09

  55. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Anstett says he will keep all the trees currently on the property.

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 00:04:28

  56. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Worth noting: a zoning issue before the OMB currently involves the Uhaul retailer in the east end.

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 00:04:58

  57. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Report received 13-0.

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 00:05:06

  58. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Next up 1229 Victoria Road South Proposed Official Plan Amendment and Zoning By- law Amendment

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 00:06:03

  59. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Michael Witmer, Development Planner II, cannot be located. Staff will do quick intro.

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 00:06:34

  60. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    the rezoning concerns the development of apartments and shopping complex where subdivision was going to go.

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 00:07:39

  61. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    No questions for Witmer. Hugh Handy will speak to the matter now as a delegate. He’s a rep for Westminster Woods.

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 00:10:15

  62. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Handy will talk about the road widening issue. That matter’s important b/c it’s going to be at the expense of the developer.

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 00:11:19

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Cllr Allt asks about alternatives to front loading the coast of expanding the road.

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 00:15:16

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Handy says a credit through the development charges to be pulled as work moves forward.

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 00:16:01

  65. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie asks about delaying the decision until he gets an answer on a “he said/he said” matter.

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 00:18:26

  66. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Might be a good pressure release moving it back a week, says Handy. Doesn’t want to see it pushed to Sept or Oct.

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 00:19:20

  67. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Engineering and planning staff happy to work with applicant on file, more time might help to resolve issues, staff.

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 00:21:07

  68. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    DCAO Scott Stewart says someone has to pay whether its developer, DC, or citizens. “This stuff has to get done.”

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 00:23:49

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Stewart asks developers to help the city see things that may not have been covered yet.

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 00:24:25

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Stewart wants to see this resolved by Friday.

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 00:24:40

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Cllr Downer asks if they need to make a public notice if the matter on this comes back next week.

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 00:25:28

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Staff says this is a technical matter that needs to be resolved and unless clerk disagrees they don’t need another public notice

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 00:25:56

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Stewart says if they can’t resolve it in a week, the council still has a decision to make. Better to do it all next Monday

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 00:28:32

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Cllr Gordon asks about the kind of credit the developer is looking for.

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 00:29:18

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Staff not aware of any occasion where credit was “front loaded” for charges. It’s a can of worms.

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 00:30:20

  76. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Cllr Allt not sensing any real enthusiasm from staff for holding this decision off for a week. Comment?

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 00:31:42

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Mayor Guthrie says he heard 2 staff members say their might be. Stewart says it doesn’t hurt to have a little more dialogue.

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 00:32:27

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “We will be reasonable in our approach. We always have been, we always will be.” says Stewart.

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 00:33:10

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Council moves to refer the matter to July 18. Unanimous.

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 00:36:28

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Mayor Guthrie calls a 10 minute break.

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 00:36:42

  81. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Next up Heritage Redevelopment Reserve Grant Application for 5 Arthur Street South (Heritage Building Complex)
    

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 00:45:42

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “The dots are starting to be connected” on the preservation of the heritage buildings on site. New coming in the next couple of months

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 00:47:10

  83. Diagram: https://t.co/b2fYGvVz3y

    Diagram: pic.twitter.com/b2fYGvVz3y
    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    ·

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 00:48:06

  84. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Staff has been advised of the confidential details of the project.

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 00:48:41

  85. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    The development will be of “significant” interest to the downtown, and the greater Guelph community.

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 00:49:17

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Reuse of the building is a “commercial opportunity” says Larry Kotseff

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 00:50:55

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Cllr Bell asks about the possibility of commercial deal falling through.

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 00:51:23

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Construction on the project would begin in 2018, and be done in a year to a year and a half.

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 00:53:25

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    No further Qs for Larry Kotseff

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 00:53:45

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gibson says he supports the program, wants to know how this fits into the process given how quickly it came up.

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 00:54:36

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    This is an unusual process, notes staff, the opportunity “looked like a winner, something quite unique.”

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 00:55:28

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    This involves a “Well known” “national” name that’s respected by the business community.

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 00:55:54

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “This will be a feather in the downtown’s cap once it comes to fruition,” says staff.

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 00:56:10

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gibson wonders if more applications like this (bypassing committee) when council moves to committee on the whole in the fall.

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 00:56:59

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gordon asks about the optical issue of “jumping the queue” and whether that might be the perception.

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 00:57:48

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Wouldn’t normally consider something like this unless “there’s significant value attached.”

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 00:58:37

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “This was in the queue for a quite a while as well.” says staff.

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 00:59:42

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Downtown and brownfield grants have been lacking this year, Matter will have to come before council later.

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 01:00:13

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Bell asks if this being approved in principal, will come back to council once deets are sorted out.

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 01:00:55

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Staff didn’t anticipate bringing it back unless council wills it.

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 01:01:22

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Bell would appreciate it coming back to council once all the details are made public.

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 01:01:42

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Allt says council is being asked to make a “leap of faith” that whatever is going to happen is going to be “good.”

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 01:03:42

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “The reserve had been largely tapped out prior to this,” staff on heritage fund.

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 01:04:54

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Allt wants to make sure there’s a clear transparent procedure.

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 01:05:07

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “I’m excited about something national coming, but I’m also excited about Santa Claus coming,” says Allt.

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 01:05:46

  106. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    The cap on contribution will be set at $1.2 million.

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 01:06:08

  107. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    There will be trigger mechanisms in place that Fusion Homes will have to meet, says staff.

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 01:06:57

  108. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Trying to keep a tight timeline in terms of the project and the deliverables, says staff.

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 01:07:27

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Cllr Wettstein says development community is watching the city to see what it does vis-a-vis low reserves.

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 01:08:43

  110. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    There is enough money in the reserve to cover the project. Contributions to fund happen every year through tax-supported budget

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 01:09:27

  111. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Fusion needs to go back to the enterprise with council’s decision and enter into contractual relations

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 01:10:26

  112. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    “For the record, yes, we are excited,” says staff.

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 01:11:09

  113. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Salisbury asks if there are currently other candidates with active proposals.

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 01:11:28

  114. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Staff: No, only one active applicant that’s just starting to ask.

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 01:11:47

  115. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Salisbury asks to clarify, the fund is meant to respond to opportunities as they come up. Correct.

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 01:12:27

  116. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Piper says she has full confidence that staff supports the vision for downtown, sure the proposal falls in line.

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 01:14:06

  117. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Bell notes there are a couple of letters noting caution in making a hasty decision.

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 01:15:04

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Bell: We need to be careful when we rush these things because some people aren’t aware of the immediacy.

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 01:16:49

  119. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Council receives the report 13-0.

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 01:17:34

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    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Next: Affordable Housing strategy.

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 01:17:47

  121. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    This was the Politico article on the Affordable Housing workshop back in February.  http://guelphpolitico.blogspot.ca/2016/02/city-looking-for-help-developing-policy.html …

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 01:22:03

  122. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Again, one of the biggest problems is the lack of smaller rental units available. An especially big problem for low-income peeps.

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 01:22:40

  123. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Only 329 rental units produced in the last few years. 432 new units will be added with the building across from Imperial Zehrs opens

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 01:23:40

  124. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Perhaps financial incentives for the private sector are need to develop more small rental units, report says.

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 01:28:57

  125. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Not proposing any changes to development charges bylaw till 2019 when a review is done. May consider incentives when the time comes.

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 01:30:12

  126. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Not being recommended: the establishment of a fund for a housing development corp, use of municipal lands & land banking & social financing

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 01:33:04

  127. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    The final report will come forward to council in Q4 of this year.

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 01:35:16

  128. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Now its time for Qs from council. Cllr Billings goes first.

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 01:35:40

  129. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Billings wants clarification on why 2ndary rental market isn’t as secure.

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 01:37:09

  130. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    A secondary rental is something like a basement apartment.

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 01:37:25

  131. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Problem is that city doesn’t know who long an owner will keep unit on the market.

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 01:38:01

  132. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    City doesn’t have the same amount of info about secondary market that they do about primary. Difficult to determine if they’re affordable

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 01:39:11

  133. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Billings asks about people that create accessory apartments to help pay for home. Aren’t they technically 2 affordable units?

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 01:40:20

  134. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    It might add to affordable rental stock, yes, but city has not data to say for sure.

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 01:40:44

  135. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    @TheFeenux Perhaps, but I think it was a question of being able to quantify the stock.

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 01:42:22

  136. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Well played.  https://twitter.com/TheFeenux/status/752679764633223168 …

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 01:43:56

  137. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Cllr Bell asks if the final report will have a budget recommendation in the fall.

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 01:44:47

  138. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Staff: the budget allocation, and cost of strategy will come later. A separate project.

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 01:45:13

  139. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gordon says this feels like a bit of a crisis. Thinks we need to wait for prov. guidelines, and that could mean more waiting.

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 01:47:11

  140. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Staff unsure about fed/prov programs, but it would be unwise to sit on hands and wait for them in order to enact *all* the recommendations.

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 01:48:58

  141. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gordon asks about the timing on making the tiny homes project possible.

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 01:51:36

  142. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Regulations for small units will not set until the finished plans are in place. Could start in 18 months and take 3 years to complete.

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 01:52:09

  143. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Cllr Gibson asks about accessory apartment target. It’s not part of the 3% says staff.

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 01:54:54

  144. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Staff: we have no control on whether an accessory apartment is being created for a family member, or rented for 1-2 years…

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 01:56:13

  145. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Cllr Allt says that nothing in Guelph has changed in 25 years in terms of social housing.

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 01:57:02

  146. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Allt wonders if the city can monitor trends like seniors downsizing from own home to rental apartment?

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 01:57:36

  147. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    City can’t monitor people’s personal choices unless they do a door-to-door survey.

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 01:57:59

  148. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Allt notes that this is another problem that’s been downloaded onto municipalities from the province.

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 01:58:49

  149. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie asks if the counting is a Guelph solution, or borrowing best practices.

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 01:59:07

  150. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Definitions for affordable housing set by the province, says staff. “We feel very comfortable with the approach that we’re taking.”

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 01:59:47

  151. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie wants to “throw some caution” about the counting. Thinks we’re missing out on “hundreds” of units there that aren’t at risk.

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 02:00:34

  152. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie doesn’t doubt staff’s figures, but does;t think the secondary units are as “risky” as portrayed.

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 02:01:47

  153. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Bell won’t be supporting the strategy. Thinks all 3 levels of gov are in this together, disappointed that there’s no budget request this yr

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 02:03:01

  154. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Allt clarifies “we’re strapped in our resources.”

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 02:03:30

  155. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Wettstein concerned that they’re supporting it now, and won’t be able to back that up with money later.

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 02:04:17

  156. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Staff points out that this report will be going back for more community consultation. There will be changes b4 final report.

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 02:04:43

  157. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Wettstein says that there are a dozen things competing for limited dollars. Part of capital budget discussion this week.

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 02:06:33

  158. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Report received 11-1. Bell voted against, Piper not present.

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 02:06:58

  159. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Final presentation: David DeGroot, Senior Urban Designer & Mixed-Use Nodes Urban Design Concept Plans (Gordon/Clair, Woodlawn/Woolwich)

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 02:08:09

  160. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Some nodes contain less development, DeGroot says.

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 02:09:02

  161. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    The intention with building up nodes now is to move away from one storey commercial development (plazas).

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 02:09:33

  162. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    The purpose of this report is to not endorse any specific plan for further development in these areas, but to provide guidelines.

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 02:17:00

  163. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Cllr Downer praises the report, points out that areas of Woolwich are ripe for redevelopment.

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 02:18:01

  164. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Bell has been thinking about Woodlawn/Woolwich node for 10 years. Concerned about issues with pedestrians, traffic concerns.

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 02:18:41

  165. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Wondering if pedestrians will be moved away from the intersection to somewhere there aren’t as many “turning movements.”

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 02:19:20

  166. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    DeGroot: connections through Riverside Park will be looked at a future date.

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 02:20:37

  167. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Hofland wonders if there’s plans to handle the traffic by diverting the traffic off Woolwich

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 02:21:15

  168. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    DeGroot: Didn’t look at that as part of this project, did look at breaking up the block to allow for more N/S connections for pedestrians

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 02:21:52

  169. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Staff: Engineer and traffic was consulted, nothing firm yet.

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 02:22:54

  170. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Hofland wants clarity. These are guidelines and not something we can hold builders to, or is it part of plan?

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 02:24:01

  171. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    If an individual applicant came forward this is something they could look at. Not beholden to.

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 02:25:07

  172. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Gibson asks if money was put aside for a commercial policy review. A: Yes it was.

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 02:26:10

  173. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Also, full zoning review coming up in the next couple of years. “Lots of reviews going on,” jokes the mayor.

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 02:26:35

  174. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie asks if the trees along the corridor in the illustrations is something the developers pay for, or is that the city.

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 02:27:11

  175. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie wants to know if the city direct staff to plant those trees today.

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 02:27:34

  176. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    It could be combination of public/private endeavour says staff.

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 02:28:10

  177. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie: Is there anything we have control over to start implementing ideas tonight?

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 02:28:45

  178. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    A: Yes, there is the 10 year capital plan.

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 02:28:57

  179. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Report received 11-0. Piper and Billings not here.

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 02:29:25

  180. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Guthrie says no need to reprint Arthur St report for July 18 meeting.

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 02:30:09

  181. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    Vote on the bylaws passes 11-0

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 02:30:44

  182. Ward1Guelph

    Dan Gibson@Ward1Guelph
    @adamadonaldson important review b/c it’s the first step in determining whether or not to rezone land in the east end as commercial. #Guelph

    ·

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 02:31:00

  183. adamadonaldson

    Adam A. Donaldson@adamadonaldson
    That’s a wrap for tonight’s meeting. Thanks for following along.

    Tue, Jul 12 2016 02:31:17

 

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